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LEE_VTR1 29th December 2012 20:28

garage looks pimp now jp :). especially with your car in there mate :).

so my next question poses.. once beanies sorted your loom whats next?
no carpets and grip taped footwells?
more carbon fibre?
more power ;)?
slicks?
more suspension improvements?

Chr15 29th December 2012 20:56

Lee you forgot bigger turbo ;)

LEE_VTR1 29th December 2012 23:57

hahaha.. josh will never turbo this! im pretty confident on that tbh

Ross 30th December 2012 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEE_VTR1 (Post 6190245)
hahaha.. josh will never turbo this! im pretty confident on that tbh

He's driving mine at the ring this year - he just might change his mind when he scares himself stupid :D

LEE_VTR1 30th December 2012 01:04

hahaha in that case ross he might just change his mind

andybvtr 30th December 2012 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross (Post 6190249)
He's driving mine at the ring this year - he just might change his mind when he scares himself stupid :D

is the ring trip this year going to be a forum outing or not as im wanting to take my 106 this year

Ross 30th December 2012 12:45

Being anything you like (car wise) dude. Speak to josh - he has a Facebook group setup for our first trip of the year. I'll be in my 106 obviously but last year all sorts turned up - it's good to go as a group, regardless of what you're driving!

Beaniemoo 30th December 2012 17:14

I'll be trying to make it to the Ring trip nest year so long as I have a car of any kind! Rather looking forward to it!
Anyways, back on subject.
Thought this would be the easiest way of keeping you posted on how I'm getting on with the loom
I've had Josh's body wiring loom out of his car to simplify and tidy up.
Although I have already assesed the loom and ordered some supplies for the bulk of the work, which are yet to arrive. I got to spend some time on it today.
I started by pulling the interior fusebox apart so I could see how everything is connected inside.



Laid the loom out in the workshop, as it would be laid in the car



Then started from the rear of the car removing all wiring which is no longer used, like tailgate and rear speaker wiring, along with relocating the number plate light take off.







This is the wire removed so far



I'll be attacking this as soon as the parts arrive



Hope you like?
Not very interesting at the moment, but still progress

Alanapone 30th December 2012 17:21

Looks good mate :D

hard_corejoeboy 30th December 2012 18:03

How much weight is there to be lost in this?

Is it just to simplify things or is it being done with weight in mind too?

adamskiTNR 30th December 2012 18:06

I'd imagine with a nice plush interior still in it is purely a nice cosmetic and simplifying goal.

LEE_VTR1 30th December 2012 18:19

fantastic work so far beanie :)

Beaniemoo 6th January 2013 17:27

A small update, now I've had pretty much all the parts arrive I can finally get on with more of the loom.
I've still decided to avoid the birds nest of wiring including the mini fuseboxes until in the week and my brothers about for a second pair of eyes.
Still managed to remove a lot more wiring like the standard immobiliser system and diagnostic plug.



Also properly relocated the window switch wiring to the colunm covers, where the switches are
(They had already been previously cut, thus the soldered connectors on some wires)



Next up removed the original Maxi fuesbox and replaced it with the new item which will be clipped to the new mini fusebox when its fitted and mounted into a custom bracket, but thats all still to come



Next up, just tidied things up a little so I could keep track of the shape of the loom, once done it will be properly taped up and tidied.



Was weighing up doing the loom entirely in heat shrink, but as this is using prdominately oe connectors, it'd be a lot of work to do, also it'll be safely under a carpet, so I think tape will be more than good enough.
Hope you're happy with the progress.
Just noticed I really need to tidy your radio wiring, what radio do you have?
As the loom, supplies and tools are now at home I'll be doing it in evenings in the week.
Still looking into the other things we discussed

jpsaxo 7th January 2013 01:16

Looks fantastic so far Beanie,

I wonder how much weight we have lost already?! :D

Ross 7th January 2013 08:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo (Post 6198208)
Looks so far Fantastic Beanie,

I wonder how much weight we have lost already?! :D

I pulled out 11kgs of loom when we went omex and redid the fuse boxes. There's mega amounts of weight to be shed in wiring. :D

Good work Beanie.

jpsaxo 7th January 2013 09:32

I've already removed a certain amount of wiring Ross, but if we can get anywhere close to a 5kg saving that would be awesome :)

hard_corejoeboy 7th January 2013 14:21

Whats next after this?

jpsaxo 7th January 2013 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy (Post 6188899)
Lol tis difficult to keep tidy when it's an active garage. Constant battle keeping my own tidy now even though its just me using it

Agreed Willsy, I find the best way to keep it tidy is to make sure I spend 5-10 minutes sweeping up & tidying up after each session I spend working on it, so that way everytime I leave the unit its nice and tidy for the next time that I go to work on it :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by unreal106 (Post 6189314)
Even harder when it's not your garage lol it's all about building our cars on our drives

Nice work Jp who dies your powder coating ?

Haha true Tom - I think Ive done enough of that building it on the drive jobbie lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanapone (Post 6189386)
I'd just like a unit... or garage. This car port leaks like a sieve! Looks really comfy tucked up in their though :D

Its a really nice place to be / work now. Even over christmas / new year I just shut the door and put the little heater on and it keeps it nice and warm in there :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEE_VTR1 (Post 6190003)
garage looks pimp now jp :). especially with your car in there mate :).

so my next question poses.. once beanies sorted your loom whats next?
no carpets and grip taped footwells?
more carbon fibre?
more power ;)?
slicks?
more suspension improvements?

Yep the garage is an awesome place to store my cars & work on them, knowing its dry and out of the frost over the winter is so much better than storing it outside

Well for this year the improvements are;

-Tidying up the interior loom
-Fitting a more friendly clutch
-Housing & fitting the SPA dials

In the short term (next year or so) further improvements will be to get Matt Newton to tidy up and open up the scuttle area to allow more air to easily enter the throttle bodies. Potentially more weight saving bits and bobs here and there to hopefully get me to the magic 800kgs with half a tank of fuel. Also I may have to look at upgrading the MA box to a BE box & BE shafts should be MA box give up the ghost. My current MA box has been cygenically strengthened so im hoping that helps it last a bit longer but im wise enough to know we are really pushing the boundaries of the box so we will see how we go... its covered over 1,000 miles so far with no issues :)

In the long term (over a year) id be potentially looking to widetrack it with a Colin Satchell kit & looking at getting more weight off the chassis again

Carpet & other comfort bits will stay, seeing as its not a full out race car its essential for me to keep some creature comforts so the cars enjoyable to jump into on a nice summer day and enjoy driving



Quote:

Originally Posted by Chr15 (Post 6190038)
Lee you forgot bigger turbo ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEE_VTR1 (Post 6190245)
hahaha.. josh will never turbo this! im pretty confident on that tbh

You can be 100% sure I will not boost this car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross (Post 6190249)
He's driving mine at the ring this year - he just might change his mind when he scares himself stupid :D

Scare myself Stupid - yes
Change my mind - no

Ive been out in Chris's 106 monster turbo and as much as it was properly mentally quick.... i still love the NA power delivery - espeically in this engine :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by andybvtr (Post 6190373)
is the ring trip this year going to be a forum outing or not as im wanting to take my 106 this year

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross (Post 6190426)
Being anything you like (car wise) dude. Speak to josh - he has a Facebook group setup for our first trip of the year. I'll be in my 106 obviously but last year all sorts turned up - it's good to go as a group, regardless of what you're driving!

As Ross says, drop me a PM with your facebook details and ill add you to our group. Alot of people that come with us arent regulars on sax-p anymore so its easier to organise it on facebook, anyone on the forum is more than welcome to come on our trip - I love introducing new people to our group - it keeps things fresh in the group.



Quote:

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy (Post 6190705)
How much weight is there to be lost in this?

Is it just to simplify things or is it being done with weight in mind too?

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamskiTNR (Post 6190708)
I'd imagine with a nice plush interior still in it is purely a nice cosmetic and simplifying goal.

Both Joe. The main aim of this was to tidy up the whole interior loom so that I know the wiring throughout the car is perfect, and obviously saving a few kg is always nice - although if its anywhere near the 11kg that Ross saved that would be VERY nice :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy (Post 6198529)
Whats next after this?

See above in response to Lea^

LEE_VTR1 7th January 2013 22:42

love the future plans especially the mention of widetrack and colin satchell thats gunna be awesome.

the freeze treatment on the internals of your box should definately help with the boxes life expectancy mate 100%.

i cant wait to see beanies finished product on the loom too :). i also understand the need for your creature comforts too man. your a fairy boy and you must keep your wings ;).

if you shed your fairy wings... 800kg would be a few kg closer ;).

all in all i have alot of love for this car. its a genuine home build that does get used and abused therefore i have far more appreciation for it. plus iv got to help along the way :)

jpsaxo 9th January 2013 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEE_VTR1 (Post 6199178)
love the future plans especially the mention of widetrack and colin satchell thats gunna be awesome.

the freeze treatment on the internals of your box should definately help with the boxes life expectancy mate 100%.

i cant wait to see beanies finished product on the loom too :). i also understand the need for your creature comforts too man. your a fairy boy and you must keep your wings ;).

if you shed your fairy wings... 800kg would be a few kg closer ;).

all in all i have alot of love for this car. its a genuine home build that does get used and abused therefore i have far more appreciation for it. plus iv got to help along the way :)

Cheers mate :)

Widetrack is a bit of a dream right now but let's see how things go over the next year, I need to get it done before the mrs finishes Uni because she will be wanting to buy a house, and then it might be more difficult to treat the Saxo to new goodies lol

Removing the carpet would save what 5kg? I'd much rather have the comfort of the carpet and find somewhere else to save 5kg instead tbh mate

AlexB 9th January 2013 05:24

i bet you wouldnt even notice the carpet was gone though.....
its not like theres any other comforts or sound deadening lol all it does is stop the floor being slippery

jpsaxo 9th January 2013 05:26

Keeps it warm and makes a huge difference to comfort levels IMO Alex

tazmania_0345 9th January 2013 21:29

Josh i look forward to your updates this car just gets better and better

martyno 9th January 2013 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo (Post 6199106)
My current MA box has been cygenically strengthened so im hoping that helps it last a bit longer but im wise enough to know we are really pushing the boundaries of the box so we will see how we go... its covered over 1,000 miles so far with no issues :)

What gear oil are you using in this box mate?

jpsaxo 11th January 2013 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazmania_0345 (Post 6201334)
Josh i look forward to your updates this car just gets better and better

Cheers Taz, good to see that your still checking back on this thread every now and again :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyno (Post 6201341)
What gear oil are you using in this box mate?

I think it's the fusch one - cant remember exactly, it was expensive and is the one we normally use in our box's. PM me and ill get my dad or brother to get a picture for you :)

martyno 11th January 2013 19:21

I have recently bought some decent oil for mine, something from Amsoil. I just wanted reassuring that you were using some quality oil with your set up :)

tazmania_0345 11th January 2013 20:32

When your next at a meet i will have to come down or i might finaly one day go on a ring trip

jpsaxo 12th January 2013 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyno (Post 6203223)
I have recently bought some decent oil for mine, something from Amsoil. I just wanted reassuring that you were using some quality oil with your set up :)

Yep yep, tbh I try never to cut corners with this car, it's just not worth it and comes to bite you in the bum if you do

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazmania_0345 (Post 6203291)
When your next at a meet i will have to come down or i might finaly one day go on a ring trip

I live in Sydney (yes the one with the Opera house and famous harbour down under lol) most of the year now so don't get to go to many meets unfortunately Taz. I'm back for all of July this year so will be at French car show - which has just been announced that it is at castle coombe this year!

kb_pricevtr 13th January 2013 14:23

this car and thread is fucking epic! just awesome!!!

Beaniemoo 14th January 2013 21:44

Hello JP! As promised an update and a few pictures of the loom and how it is coming along!
I have managed to completely remove the birds nest of wiring over on the n/s of the dash, also finished relocating most of the fuses into the new fusebox.
As you can see from the pictures the loom is looking vastly better!

The fusebox looking rather complete



The n/s dash, through panel area looking much tidier



And how the complete loom is looking, and how my living room is looking lol



Left to do is:

Completely wire in the front fog light system (this the missing fuse in the box)
Put some earths on the front lights
Convert the dash loom
Modify/make bracket to mount new fusebox in

Getting there, making nice progress
Hope you like?

jpsaxo 14th January 2013 22:04

Looks brilliant mate :)

MR_N 15th January 2013 07:49

That looks very good, also on my list to do. Not attempting it myself though.

jpsaxo 15th January 2013 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR_N (Post 6206436)
That looks very good, also on my list to do. Not attempting it myself though.

Agreed mate, it's way too complicated for me tbh, beanie's done a cracking job of tidying it all up and minimalising it as well :)

Beaniemoo 22nd January 2013 22:24

Hello Josh! Back again with a nice update!
The body loom is now pretty much complete!

Tail section of loom all taped up and looking tidy



Fusebox with fog light relay fitted



Front section of loom all taped up
Red wire is battery feed, but I don't know the length at the moment



Dash area of loom



Fusebox area



Close up of taping



All whilst withstand a prelonged attack from Notdog



All thats left now is to do the dash switch and dial loom
Put a feed to the fog light fuse (JUST remembered I haven't put this in)
Replace or tidy radio wiring

jpsaxo 22nd January 2013 22:57

Fantastic :D

Alanapone 22nd January 2013 22:58

My god that's a lot of work!!

Looking good though :y:

PJN 22nd January 2013 23:24

You've done a cracking job Beanie, looks as fresh (if not fresher) than OEM! Will be a real asset to the car when it's all in and working :D

crisppug 23rd January 2013 17:02

Looking good man. I love neat wiring. Just ashame i cant understand all the complex stuff.........yet lol.

jpsaxo 24th January 2013 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanapone (Post 6214435)
My god that's a lot of work!!

Looking good though :y:

It definitely is, once you get stuck into a loom it really does take a long time to organise it all!

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJN (Post 6214468)
You've done a cracking job Beanie, looks as fresh (if not fresher) than OEM! Will be a real asset to the car when it's all in and working :D

True - although beanie made a great point - he's making this and then Beanie/sam/dad are fitting it back in with the dash etc so I wont actualy get to see his handy work as most of it will be covered behind the dash / wing / carpet lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisppug (Post 6215114)
Looking good man. I love neat wiring. Just ashame i cant understand all the complex stuff.........yet lol.

hahaha im with you there Chris!! WAY too complicated for me mate

saxoashlaughton 24th January 2013 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo (Post 3153401)
Yeah your current struts should be fine Toad mate!

Right another update for you - Firstly a VERY special mention to DannyGti for going to collect these for me :D













I think you'll agree they look awesome - I cant wait to try them out!! :D

These seats are the dogs!


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