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Andy_K 13th October 2009 13:20

Just use a silicone joiner from the elbow to the throttlebody. Can mix and match whatever diameters you need then to suit whatever engine you end up running. Only a few quid for the silicone

Mathias 13th October 2009 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3754411)
Well its just i was going to vts the car and gave up then going to turbo the vtr but would like the extra power and was only going to get a standard mani so not spending alot on a mani so in the future can turbo the vts without losing loads on a good manifold,etc. But if i find a good vts engine by time got all the parts i will fit that then turbo that as got all bits for a vts engine, just not the engine lol. You dont fancing a swap for nitrous bottle +cash for intercooler lol?

intercooler sold now sorry

jsdvtr 13th October 2009 15:19

Right this will be my turbo setup-

Mf2 with 5th injector- Got
2 bar map sensor- Got
Sigcon- Got
Intercooler- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-TURBO-INT...d=p3286.c0.m14
Boost pipes- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-SILICONE-TUR...d=p3286.c0.m14
And- http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/index...roducts_id=208
Manifold- Standard adapted to fit
Turbo- T25
Decomp- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Citroen-Saxo-V...d=p3286.c0.m14
Headgasket-
Cambelt-
Dump valve-
Mapping- Do myself with mf2
Oil feed, return-
Sump return-

Im hoping it wont be too long till get everything then i can start sorting getting everything on, etc. Im hoping to be selling my fullcage and puting the money towards getting another car so can work on the sax without having to worry about getting on road in a certain time.

Ste 13th October 2009 15:31

Id get your decomp plate from somewhere decent, cituning do them at £80, bit steep but you don't want one thats going to split after a bit of hammer.

sexoturbs 13th October 2009 15:33

my turbo kit...
mani
turbo
down pipe
sandwich plate (for oil cooler)
oi cooler
cap for sandwich (plate to block off oil filter so you can relocate if needed)
braided hoses for oil cooler ( and oil filter if you relocate)
turbo oil feed hose (braided)
sump for turbo oil drain.
2 water feed pipes t pieces to connect to water pipes.
all gasgets.
intercooler
boost pipes
silicone hoses to connect boost pipes.
jubilee clips.
decomp plate or forged
afr guage as your using mf2 and u have that whole set up so thats ok

i think thats it lol if that helps in any way. sorry if any bad spelling aswell cant be botherd to read agen. and i will soon smash my bluetooth keyboard ha :y:

jsdvtr 13th October 2009 16:01

Someone earlier on said that, that decomp is a good one. Sexoturbs you thought any more about selling your intake pipe as want abit cheaper one if can. Will the intercooler be big enough? I see that alot of boosted owners have that same sort of intercooler size wise, etc but ben vts said his over heats abit.

blackie_2k5 13th October 2009 20:35

if i was you id buy the 2.25" boost pipe kit as the vtr tb is 2.25 and the intercooler ports are 2.25 so itl save you buying reducers etcs and basically stop you messing about with diff diameters on just about every joint, keeps things simple and stops your boost flow being restricted

sexoturbs 13th October 2009 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3755214)
Someone earlier on said that, that decomp is a good one. Sexoturbs you thought any more about selling your intake pipe as want abit cheaper one if can. Will the intercooler be big enough? I see that alot of boosted owners have that same sort of intercooler size wise, etc but ben vts said his over heats abit.

aah mate im having a nightmare with my car will have been of the road 2 weks this weekend :( just waitin to get my fuel rail, drive shaft, engine mount and cap for my oil filter relocation. before i get it back on the road.
if you can wait untill say 24th i can let you no. if i cant afford my standalone, injectors and remap. i will just buy my ecu and injectors and get it fitted and maped next month. if thats the case then i wil be getting all new boost pipes fitted. so can let you no on the 24th :y:

jsdvtr 14th October 2009 06:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexoturbs (Post 3756863)
aah mate im having a nightmare with my car will have been of the road 2 weks this weekend :( just waitin to get my fuel rail, drive shaft, engine mount and cap for my oil filter relocation. before i get it back on the road.
if you can wait untill say 24th i can let you no. if i cant afford my standalone, injectors and remap. i will just buy my ecu and injectors and get it fitted and maped next month. if thats the case then i wil be getting all new boost pipes fitted. so can let you no on the 24th :y:

Ye that sounds good mate. Might have to wait till get paid on like the 30th and what sort of price you looking at?

jsdvtr 15th October 2009 07:50

Anyone know if a golf mk4 1.8t intercooler would be ok and fit ok as my mate wants a bigger one for his and can have his standard one.

Mathias 15th October 2009 08:30

depends how big they are matey, any intercooler will help!!

sexoturbs 15th October 2009 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3757399)
Ye that sounds good mate. Might have to wait till get paid on like the 30th and what sort of price you looking at?

not to sure yet. ill sort you out tho if i do sell it. but ill give u a final answer on 23rd :)

sexoturbs 15th October 2009 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3760424)
Anyone know if a golf mk4 1.8t intercooler would be ok and fit ok as my mate wants a bigger one for his and can have his standard one.

any intercooler wil be good. just make sure you got somewhere to mount it..

jsdvtr 15th October 2009 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexoturbs (Post 3761586)
not to sure yet. ill sort you out tho if i do sell it. but ill give u a final answer on 23rd :)

Cool. I like the intercooler ive seen on ebay for £110 but would like something abit cheaper at first. As thinking of finding a vts engine but then thats a few hundred pound that could go on turbo build. But i have got the rad and fans on, Got the ecu would just need unlocking, top mount.

sexoturbs 15th October 2009 21:08

well if you wana do it cheap you could get the gt5 intercooler prob get one for 30.. mount it under the bonnet and give it a cool air feed to cool it or maybe a scoop on the bonnet?

jsdvtr 16th October 2009 06:07

A r5 gtt? Well i can get my mates golf intercooler but not seen what looks like yet and whether it would be a ok fit behind the bumper.

sexoturbs 16th October 2009 10:36

ok, i have seen a few on golfs that are a good size and would fit. cant he send you a pic of it?

turbodoctor 17th October 2009 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3751584)
Well i coupd fit the injector in the elbow couldnt i? Where about would map sensor go? I would buy thel intercooler but after selling nos bottle as dont want run nitrous now, would prefer money to go toward turbo setup. Would that intercooler not be too big for lw boost?

gis a bell mate ill deal you up sum bits for your convertion for your bottle if you want 07790925333:y:

jsdvtr 19th October 2009 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbodoctor (Post 3767457)
gis a bell mate ill deal you up sum bits for your convertion for your bottle if you want 07790925333:y:

I want to sell it tbh.

ben_vts 19th October 2009 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3771018)
I want to sell it tbh.

What you selling mate.??

jsdvtr 19th October 2009 13:20

Nitrous bottle.

ben_vts 19th October 2009 13:25

i see. maybe should have read a few pages back before asking but for a min there a thought you were talking about your car

jsdvtr 20th October 2009 17:06

By the way the vtr engine is dead. Sat on my drive feeling sorry for itself lol, On the look out for vts engine.

jsdvtr 24th October 2009 11:33

Found this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-MANIFOLD...item5ad444e4c0

Sophia_Bush 24th October 2009 11:48

ryanmt on here already has one

jsdvtr 24th October 2009 14:46

Seems a good price for a turbo mani. Just depends on build quality.

ryanmt 24th October 2009 15:10

Build qualitys alright, the pipes are stainless, flanges are mild/chromed.

Weldings good, fitment seems a bit off though, the flange to the head will need some attention so it actually fits. Ovaling some holes and cutting a bit off the bottom.





Gaskets it comes with look rubbish too! and 3bolt wastegates are rare as hell. Not sure why its got that flange on it atall. Its easy to remove though.

jsdvtr 26th October 2009 18:05

Wheres the best place to get a turbo from? That i know is going to be good condition and not fooked? Also dump valve and t piece? How much would management cost to buy if decided to get standalone?

ben_vts 26th October 2009 18:26

You looking for a 2nd hand turbo.?? £650 will see you into the standalone management world with a pred ecu. Its what iam running and a few others are planning to use. Good bit of kit like. :y:

jsdvtr 26th October 2009 22:08

Ye cant afford new atm. Was thinking t25 but now going for vts so not sure to stick with that idea still or t2,t28? How much would injectors cost, not expensive ones?

AXracing 26th October 2009 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3792621)
Ye cant afford new atm. Was thinking t25 but now going for vts so not sure to stick with that idea still or t2,t28? How much would injectors cost, not expensive ones?

The “T” only refers to the turbo format. Take a look at the T25 flange with TB25 core that most people call a T25. You could get one with say a 47mm turbine and 51mm compressor yet another could have a with 53mm turbine and 60mm compressor. As you can see one is much bigger than another. Or in more simple terms look at the T3 that they fitted to the MG Metro turbo that had some 90bhp or so so had a really small T3. Yet the Ford Escort Cosworth also has a T3 and that has over 200bhp. So you can see its going to be a much bigger T3. You have to use the correct spec turbo for your application. Same is true for your injectors.

luthor1 26th October 2009 23:03

GT17 Turbo FTW.

Andy

jsdvtr 26th October 2009 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1 (Post 3792837)
GT17 Turbo FTW.

Andy

What car is that from?

ben_vts 27th October 2009 01:33

The GT17 is the turbo CiTuning uses on their kits. The turbo iam running mate. Il give it the thumbs up like :y: we found the injectors to use realy cheap on an American website. You can find the link on my progress thread mate. Save yourself over 100quid on them.

manc 27th October 2009 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3792910)
What car is that from?

They can be had from earlier (00-02) Saab's (petrol) :y:

On my GT17 the hot side is .47 / cold side is .53.

ManC

jsdvtr 27th October 2009 09:35

Should i stick with vtr box or get vts to go with engine. Want it to pick up well and have good acceleration. What sort of extra top end would it have adding a turbo? Just wundered as know that turbo give more top end.

AXracing 27th October 2009 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3793335)
Should i stick with vtr box or get vts to go with engine. Want it to pick up well and have good acceleration. What sort of extra top end would it have adding a turbo? Just wundered as know that turbo give more top end.

Again all depends on spec. Say your running one bar of boost you would not wish to gear it down at all. If you got the gearing correct well over 150mph is easily possible. The old DP car running 1.1 bar hit 160mph before it ran out of gears. These are terrible cars to run at these speeds though even on a 2 and a half mile long airfield that is wider that a football fields you really are taking your life in your hands.

jsdvtr 28th October 2009 10:25

Might get this afr guage.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIR-CODE-MOVEM...item3356ee8e79
Looks nice. Would like a wideband but are abit too expensive atm.

ryanmt 28th October 2009 10:30

Thats just the gauge, no sensor or controller.

jsdvtr 28th October 2009 14:48

What sort of thing would you recommend. I like the alpha ones with the leds.


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