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ryanmt 28th October 2009 17:29

Innovate LC1 is cheap. Naw is cheaper with a display (14point7.com). It wouldnt be hard to sort out the display business once youve got a controller.

Ive got this



Which ill prob sell shortly for about £50 delivered inc a case. Tis a JAW wideband controller and display. Works with any bosch wideband sensor, can find them off audis in the scrapper etc or i got one new delivered for £32

Tis like the megasquirt of widebands really but its pretty good. Has got pretty decent specs, has the hardware to do datalogging stored onto an onboard memory but its not implemented in the firmware yet

jsdvtr 28th October 2009 19:40

So you set it up on a laptop instead of a guage in the car? How much are the innovate ones?

jsdvtr 28th October 2009 20:10

Been looking at dump valve and t pieces but not sure about which one, Can i get one from any car aslong as the t piece is for same car as dump valve and then connect that too boost pipe using silicone hose?

manc 28th October 2009 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3797373)
So you set it up on a laptop instead of a guage in the car? How much are the innovate ones?

£150 from GMC :y: but without display

The Jaw jobbie is a serious alternative thou, if a assembled unit with display is available 'get it'

ManC

ben_vts 28th October 2009 20:50

Arnt the Innovate LC1's the ones Andy fits manc.?? Be pritty cool to get a display unit for like.

jsdvtr 28th October 2009 21:51

Could not get a in car display rather than needing laptop to use? I have my own laptop but just would like one have on all time.

manc 28th October 2009 22:05

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Originally Posted by ben_vts (Post 3797628)
Arnt the Innovate LC1's the ones Andy fits manc.?? Be pritty cool to get a display unit for like.

Yes it is m8e, the above pictured displays are pretty cool for the money, you can get AFR gauge's to suit your's & mine LC-1 wideband, there not cheap thou I should know as I just spent £150 on the Innovate G3 AFR & boost gauges but that did include an expensive oil drain flange which the turbo kit didnt come with :n:

They both look like this: -



Hope that helps.

manc 28th October 2009 22:07

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3797946)
Could not get a in car display rather than needing laptop to use? I have my own laptop but just would like one have on all time.

Look at the link the Ryan posted, you'll see that the JAW gauge is on a flying lead which doesnt require a laptop, as its on the end of a lead you can position it on the dash somewhere.

ManC

ryanmt 28th October 2009 22:50

The needle type gauges just take a voltage range. Something like jaw you can configure. IE 9 afr =0v 19afr= 5v. So you can use any afr gauge with jaw.

But it also includes a display like the one in my pics, Can be placed anywhere, and daisy chained, you could ahve 4 displays wired in with egt, boost, rpm and afr. The displays are only £15 each ish!!

See display here


manc 29th October 2009 09:30

Ryan that looks like a really neat solution, you should get a couple made up and sell them as there seems to be no one selling prebuilt units, you would definatley have a few customer on here :y:

I have two lambda points on my downpipe so could plum in a second o2 gauge in for peace of mind that i'm not running lean/rich :oops:

ManC

jsdvtr 29th October 2009 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by manc (Post 3798759)
Ryan that looks like a really neat solution, you should get a couple made up and sell them as there seems to be no one selling prebuilt units, you would definatley have a few customer on here :y:

I have two lambda points on my downpipe so could plum in a second o2 gauge in for peace of mind that i'm not running lean/rich :oops:

ManC

Sounds like a good idea to me tbh.

jsdvtr 30th October 2009 10:31

Im getting a vts astandard mani with the engine getting. How can i get it adapted to get turbo on like the plate?

jsdvtr 3rd November 2009 13:37

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3801514)
Im getting a vts astandard mani with the engine getting. How can i get it adapted to get turbo on like the plate?

Anyone tell me this? As will get it done soon. And do you use the bottom part to make downpipe?

Sophia_Bush 3rd November 2009 13:59

no don't do it that way although it may be fine it wont be great and welding cast is a twat

jsdvtr 3rd November 2009 16:49

Where can i get a ok turbo mani from thats not to expensive? Ive seen the ones that are new on ebay for £200 that seem ok.

Sophia_Bush 3rd November 2009 17:43

just get that s/s steel manifold off ebay ryanmt has get a t25 or t2 which will bolt right onto that manifold all you need to make is the downpipe then which will be piss easy.

jsdvtr 3rd November 2009 18:39

Can i get the downpipe made at somewhere that makes exhausts? As my mate works in one and can get it done cheap.

Sophia_Bush 3rd November 2009 19:13

yes easy

jsdvtr 3rd November 2009 20:43

Do i need a adapter for turbo to adapt to downpipe? How can i use the standard mani for turbo for the time being? Just want to get it running then upgrade in the near future. Im not too bothered about it costing abit more, etc. I just want a base then upgrade certain parts.

jsdvtr 4th November 2009 17:03

Maybe getting a forge intercooler.

jsdvtr 6th November 2009 16:22

Ive now bought the forge intercooler. Might be getting dump valve with t piece. I was just thinking of what other guages to get aswell as boost and a afr lamba one. Maybe oil temp?

ryanmt 6th November 2009 17:00

boost, afr, egt, oil temp, oil pressure.

jsdvtr 6th November 2009 17:36

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Originally Posted by ryanmt (Post 3821497)
boost, afr, egt, oil temp, oil pressure.


Whats egt? Im going to put 3 guages where stereo goes as would good using a stereo blank to put them in then also got a A pillar double guage pod. Is there much difference between the lamba afr and a normal one that cost like £30??

jsdvtr 7th November 2009 12:50

would vtr or vts be better for turbo engine? I was planing on keeping vts box on vts engine.

jsdvtr 8th November 2009 17:03

How much work is a 200sx mani to fit a vts as found this but seen on here that they fit but just wundered how much work was involved?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-200SX-S...item3ef45292a8

Or would just go for this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-MANIFOLD...item5ad444e4c0

jsdvtr 10th November 2009 16:31

I was thinking of getting a t25 turbo when was going to turbo the vtr but now thinking of t2, t28?? I know the t28 has more power bhp wise but unsure which for low boost but maybe changing piston, etc in the future.

jsdvtr 18th November 2009 11:56

Can a standard ecu be mapped for turbo setup as would be better than 5th injector setup fueling wise??

raunchz 18th November 2009 11:57

As far as I'm aware it cant.

But I thought the same about standard Ecu and TB's - but it has been done.

jsdvtr 18th November 2009 15:14

I wouldnt mind standalone but just too expensive atm and then remap on top thats why ive got for 5th injector as ive already got all the fueling sorted now and still be alot cheaper and aslong as be setup right i dont think can go wrong.

jsdvtr 22nd November 2009 19:57

Anyone know about 332cc delphi injectors and how much they are new and will they fit a vts?

ryanmt 23rd November 2009 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr (Post 3850017)
Can a standard ecu be mapped for turbo setup as would be better than 5th injector setup fueling wise??

can it be done, yes - in theory. Very tricky to do though and i dont think anybody ever bothered.

ATFoxy106 23rd November 2009 00:49

theory is the same as that of running standard management on bodies i think, you need somone to hange the Load capacitor which currently runs as the manifold absolute pressure sensor (MAP) to somthing else (i cant remember what(possibly ICV)) however for the cost that it would take AND THEN to find somone who could do this *(Presumably chipwizards) you would be ebst going with standalone management jamie, Somthing like megasquirt i assume with a wideband lambda sensor however i dont know that much about turbos as they dont come into my field that much i work only on NA Vehicles regarding tuning but i am assuming that the above info is correct and that its completly not finacially viable as management is relativly cheap considering the cost of making standard ecu run it.

Also new management like KMS, Mega squirt etc are much easier to work on in ths future, regarding faults and such like, and just for reference we mapped a WRC Cosworth without a rolling road and got the perfect map on it which saw more power than the Msport WRC Escort cosworth (Back in the day)

jsdvtr 23rd November 2009 07:36

Anyone know about the delphi injectors?? Need to know pretty asap please.


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