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Sophia_Bush 11th August 2008 13:59

Parts you need to turbo your saxo and basic costs involved
 
Right along with the turbo guide I did a while back alot of people ask for a parts list and pirce break down of whats the min required to run a turbo safely. So lets do a break down of a fully proper working turbo setup:

Adapter for oe manifold and downpipe £175
T25 turbo or a GT15 £50 - £100
boost pipes £80 (new with hoses)
intercooler £100
repair headgasket set inc bolts £100 (1 single thicker hg being a repair one, should lower compression enough to run low boost)
Dump valve, boost gauge and dump valve t-piece £60 - 80
4 bigger injectors £30 (max)
dastek unichip inc boost map sensor controller (£100 off ebay)
2bar map sensor £30
remap on the dastek £250 (at aldon automotive)
oil feed and return £20
sump return £10

so thats the basics all had for less than £1100 at todays prices all mapped and ready to go low boost.

Running a turbo is requires no less maintanence than a highly strung n.a motor, regular oil changes and not hammering the shite out of it and it will be reliable.

Just don't expect it to be if you drive like an utter cock all over the place. Power 1.1 mpi anywere from 90bhp - 140bhp depending on boost run and how good the mapping is. Furio / Westcoast from 90bhp - 180bhp, VTR from 130bhp - 200bhp+ and VTS from 180bhp+ BUT this is all subjective as with all setups it boils down to how good said setup is and how good the mapping is aswell

ALL figures are a guide you wont get that much unless the whole setup has been done right and the mapping is spot on, depends how much boost you run aswell. I ran just under 15psi in my old 1.1 and that doubled its power + a little more.

Compression well since this is a basic guide for low boost 1 single repair HG will do for 8psi. If you are going for big power then consider forged pistons, proper standalone and a betetr box with a quaife.

This is the basics IF you do most of the work yourself! I am sure people like martin with his ax vtr turbo and others will add to this if I have missed anything in this basic cost break down. Do not take this as gospel as you will need to hunt around for bargains and do the leg work. The prices i have listed are from my own experience.

But is very rewarding once done

EDIT - Also please read the following thread after you have finished here very sound advice and nice price guide for a medium spec build

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=382703

edwardsvtr 11th August 2008 14:30

great little guide, really breaks it down

holman 11th August 2008 19:24

the second i pass my test im guna start looking for a 1.1 with an mpi!!!!!!!!!
ta for the break down... i was guna ask for 1 then i found this! thank you!

Mark51 11th August 2008 19:36

added to stickys

hudson701 11th August 2008 22:43

Could you put a guide up for a basic supercharger kit?

steviet 17th August 2008 11:09

excellent guide gav:y:

gaz4399 17th August 2008 16:40

great guide

landanimal 12th September 2008 15:46

where do you buy the parts from though? like if i wanted to start getting a turbo setup for my 1.1 where do i look to buy the parts other than yourself cause i want to do a slow progress of it sso buy 1 part at a time.

Tom_latchford 12th September 2008 15:47

brilliant guide really helps

garvey2k8 23rd September 2008 11:31

can you turbo a 1.1 spi

Prickle 23rd September 2008 15:28

is mine a spi or mpi, i forgot what it was i asked before




have you got any pictures of your turbo'd saxo 1.1 i please ? (sophia_bush or is it still in the making ?

peebee 23rd December 2008 11:10

And there was me thinking you'd need to spend thousands! Cheers!

TU-Tuning 23rd December 2008 11:15

'Furio / Westcoast from 90bhp - 180bhp, VTR from 130bhp - 170bhp.'

Great guide mate, whats the 1400 got to give it more potential over the 1600?

peebee 23rd December 2008 11:33

lol i didn't see that bit! Surely thats not right? Meh!

Sophia_Bush 23rd December 2008 11:57

its a guide final power depends on how well setup it is. VTR could make up to 200bhp but at the end of the day it depends on what your spec is and how welll setup it is

blackie_2k5 23rd December 2008 14:09

nice1 this is exectly what ive been looking!! where can you get the bigger injectors from? and what size im strugglin to find any

Mathias 23rd December 2008 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 (Post 2818309)
nice1 this is exectly what ive been looking!! where can you get the bigger injectors from? and what size im strugglin to find any

http://www.q-e-p.co.uk/

There your best bet for injectors mate, explain your spec and expected power output and they'll tell you which ones you'll need! ;)

J0sh 11th August 2009 08:46

Where can I buy the adaptor for oe manifold and downpipe from? Already have the turbo and intercooler :)

blackie_2k5 12th August 2009 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by J0sh (Post 3580454)
Where can I buy the adaptor for oe manifold and downpipe from? Already have the turbo and intercooler :)

you can by the flanges etc off ebay but unlees you buy a specific mani etc for your car and turbo its all fabricationg yourself or getting someone to do it for you

jsdvtr 12th August 2009 20:12

Where can you get a proper turbo mani from instead of adapting the standard one to fit? I think that looks tacky imo. I want to build a turbo vts engine to go in my vtr but without spending a fortune but my car will hopefully be a track car in near future. Is a escort rst trubo any good? What intercooler, injectors, mani, turbo be best for a low to adverage boost build?

perryvt 13th August 2009 12:25

So is that all u need 2 put a turbo into a saxo that cheap??

Where do all the parts come from and how much would it cost to get it fitted or cud u do it urself with some effort?

Sounds a good idea wat bhp wud i b looking at from a turbo in a 1.4 with decent cams and a rolling road remap?

jsdvtr 3rd September 2009 12:49

What sort of power would mk2 vtr turbo at about 6psi be running power wise?

blackie_2k5 3rd September 2009 17:29

could be anything, depends on too many factors, eg engine condiotion turbo condition other mods, what mani you use mapping more importantly what choice you even make for fueling

turbod_vtr 8th April 2010 19:26

looking on ebay i dont know what turbo flange i should be looking at? or what turbo to get??
have a mk2 vtr
i have many questions if some would could help me that would be great.
great guide!
cheers

Phsyco_Paff 9th April 2010 16:58

turbo wise you can get a gt28 off a 200 sx you will also need the manifold

you can then cut the 200s mani up and weld all the bits to your saxo manifold

i would also recommend running 6psi boost as i have found @ 8psi saxo gearboxes just dont cut it(i have to heavy foot) and will die in a short time so far the diesial gearbox is doing well and is by far the best option (unless you can afford Quaif internals) the gears are longer but the boost makes up for it.

turbod_vtr 9th April 2010 23:29

what sort of fueling/mapping are you running? setup?

stevie__mc 11th April 2010 18:24

its a good guide. and good price but its all a lot of hasel getting parts and getting it setup etc lmao

stueebaby 12th April 2010 09:40

If vtr capable upto 200 bhp wat will a vts pull out the bag?

jaytay 12th April 2010 09:56

think that kinda answers everything really great guide:y:

chris666 21st April 2010 00:11

well by mates vts turbo is pushing neely 250 bhp but i need a new custom remap due to cams, to higher the rev range and fueling

9Freedman9 21st April 2010 11:19

Could you put links up to everything that you need to buy, i.e where you can buy it from online. Thanks. :)

jsdvtr 17th September 2010 10:03

What turbo manifolds are available for vts engines? I know theres the dp and miltek but the miltek ones are a pain to get hold of and cituning arent the best ive heard at getting parts sent to you. The dp is expensive, is there any others out there?

Sophia_Bush 17th September 2010 11:00

try looking on the cituning website they do the manifold and downpipe as seperates now not exactly that hard

sliderz 17th September 2010 11:13

295 for mani or 445 for mani plus downpipe vts
8v is even cheaper 245 mani 395 all

jsdvtr 17th September 2010 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush (Post 4721771)
try looking on the cituning website they do the manifold and downpipe as seperates now not exactly that hard

I didnt know they sold them seperate on the site. Found them now though, good price for them both tbh, is there much difference between power, torque gains with the dp one?

What sort of figure is acceptable for term of reliability, i dont want it to be offroad being fixed because gearbox has gone or driveshafts snapped, etc. I heard that anything over 300bhp the gearbox will need upgrading to a BE ideally.

Jungle 23rd September 2010 14:46

you cant have a fast reliable saxo.. it doesnt exist :p

If you looking for more than 300bhp you will need to spend ALOT of money, the stuff in this thread is very very very basic

AdamPug 23rd September 2010 15:03

verry good guide :)

Hamilton2oo7 19th October 2010 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush (Post 2413488)
...Compression well since this is a basic guide for low boost 1 single repair HG will do for 8psi. If you are going for big power then consider forged pistons, proper standalone and a betetr box with a quaife...

What size (mm's) would this be?

Liam88 25th November 2010 11:29

great thread might have to think about this mod for my vts cheers

ukgaz 25th November 2010 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamilton2oo7 (Post 4809255)
What size (mm's) would this be?

just walk into citroen dealership and ask for the biggest they got, will cost around £60 for it, alternatively for low boost you can get a 1.9mm HG which will be enough


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