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chrissawyer21 6th January 2009 18:04

Sequential Gearbox
 
How would you go about fiting this in a Saxo VTS?

and would it be useable on the roads?

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:05

have you got one
if not have you got several grand to spend?

rushy_23 6th January 2009 18:07

Thats not really answering his questions now is it Alex :p

Ste 6th January 2009 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissawyer21 (Post 2853524)
How would you go about fiting this in a Saxo VTS?

and would it be useable on the roads?

You'd get a loan, then you'd assess your requirement for the specific ratios you need for your application. Then get a company to build it for you. It would bolt straight on as it would be made specifically for you. It would be daft to buy one really. The requirement isnt really there for a road legal car, more for race and hi rpm engines.

The only one i know of: Search Bic, Longmans, Sadev or Maxi 106

It would be cheaper to buy a hayabusa turbo engine and slap that in the back and use the bikes sequential box than getting a saxo sequential. Not that, that setup would be cheap but a sequential is going to cost well over 10k. Or 4950 (go to alex's post)

Get yourself a 1.3 Rallye gearbox and a quaife diff if your just wanting a good box setup.

dobbo_1 6th January 2009 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissawyer21 (Post 2853524)
How would you go about fiting this in a Saxo VTS?

and would it be useable on the roads?

some one been watching wrc and dreaming? your going to need alot of cash for that box mate

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:11

no its not rushy but hes a noob
but if hes planning one most guys think there a few hundred quid

a decent one will fit up similar to an origonal box but will require custom linkages at least i think (allthough ive not even looked into them fully as theres not much point unless your racing the car at a high standard)

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:14

http://www.rallycarsonline.net/listi...axo106206.html

haha found 1 for sale
mmmmm 4950 quid gone just like that

Steve 6th January 2009 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissawyer21 (Post 2853524)
How would you go about fiting this in a Saxo VTS?

and would it be useable on the roads?

useable on the roads yes.
go to a company taht can make one for your car.
pm bic


you got deep pockets chris?

lolz i was just watching bic's 106 on youtube minutes ago aswel

Ste 6th January 2009 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS (Post 2853574)
http://www.rallycarsonline.net/listi...axo106206.html

haha found 1 for sale
mmmmm 4950 quid gone just like that

hahaha nice fooking find!!! Cheaper than i thought!!! Its been on there since March 08 :O

chrissawyer21 6th January 2009 18:17

calm down, i only asked i never said i was getting one

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:18

lol

on a road car its silly

Steve 6th January 2009 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS (Post 2853596)
lol

on a road car its silly


not at all, launch control at the lights ftw

bwwwwwwwwaaaaaarp!


:fcuk:

Ste 6th January 2009 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS (Post 2853610)
not at all, launch control at the lights ftw

bwwwwwwwwaaaaaarp!


:fcuk:


Launch control in a saxo is a Maccy Ds mcflurry stuck under the pedal......

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS (Post 2853610)
not at all, launch control at the lights ftw

bwwwwwwwwaaaaaarp!


:fcuk:

wheres that vid of the wrc focus at the lights nxt to the estate lol
might aswell get a full throttle shift setup on there too so you just neer have to move your foot

3cott 6th January 2009 18:38

my mate had one on his cossie an it cost him five grang for a secondhand one

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:43

cossie boxes are bigger an have the centre diff in

saxo ones are slightly cheaper (found an unused one for 5k)

dannygti 6th January 2009 18:47

how many people on in this thread use one regularly??

ive used them often and they are not the most user friendly on the road but you can get used to them pretty quick. they are also very good fun.
a fwd sequential is normally more expensive than rwd sequentials.

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:48

for the cash on a road car though danny??

im not saying the box itself is a bad thing
just not worth the cash for the use

Steve 6th January 2009 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS (Post 2853620)
wheres that vid of the wrc focus at the lights nxt to the estate lol
might aswell get a full throttle shift setup on there too so you just neer have to move your foot


lol i cant find that video anymore :(

AlexB 6th January 2009 18:54

ill have a search

EDIT: fail

dannygti 6th January 2009 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS (Post 2853748)
for the cash on a road car though danny??

im not saying the box itself is a bad thing
just not worth the cash for the use

it all boils down to how uch cash you have at the end of the day.

look at bic for an example. ten a couple of our "road legal" cars at work use them. ive done about 1000 miles on road in car with sequential straigt cut and it was a right larf.

if you had a specific budget then its mostly likely not worth it but if i was minted id be buying one lol:P

miss_murder 6th January 2009 19:42

get a quaife 1 there like 2 grand with 2 sets of gear ratios and 2 final drive set ups

dobbo_1 6th January 2009 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by miss_murder (Post 2854004)
get a quaife 1 there like 2 grand with 2 sets of gear ratios and 2 final drive set ups


i doubt that price

dannygti 6th January 2009 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by miss_murder (Post 2854004)
get a quaife 1 there like 2 grand with 2 sets of gear ratios and 2 final drive set ups

your thinking of a close ratio gear cluster. BIG difference between those and sequentials.:P

Dboyvts 6th January 2009 20:04

Looked at the sadev box for the 206/ saxo but there not that well rated for high torque out put from turbo or supercharged engines so would not be warinted..The one that gmc are running in there saxo cost over 12 grand....

dannygti 6th January 2009 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dboyvts (Post 2854098)
Looked at the sadev box for the 206/ saxo but there not that well rated for high torque out put from turbo or supercharged engines so would not be warinted..The one that gmc are running in there saxo cost over 12 grand....

and that was one of the cheap ones lol..

theres plenty of people who will build you one for 106/saxo etc x-trac/hewland/elite/quaife/sadev but i think its only sadev who have a almost "off the shelf" one and thats around 10k all in. and like deeboy said above they are not suited to high torque engines.

AlexB 6th January 2009 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti (Post 2853797)
it all boils down to how uch cash you have at the end of the day.

look at bic for an example. ten a couple of our "road legal" cars at work use them. ive done about 1000 miles on road in car with sequential straigt cut and it was a right larf.

if you had a specific budget then its mostly likely not worth it but if i was minted id be buying one lol:P

well yea if I happened to have 5k just lying around I would lol
but for most cars I don't think I could justify it atm

Dboyvts 6th January 2009 20:12

I know danny :( i want one, would finish off my car to a perfect track car but can only dream

dannygti 6th January 2009 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dboyvts (Post 2854131)
I know danny :( i want one, would finish off my car to a perfect track car but can only dream

lol. a 94 would be good enough for me ;);)

rushy_23 6th January 2009 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS (Post 2853555)
no its not rushy but hes a noob
but if hes planning one most guys think there a few hundred quid

a decent one will fit up similar to an origonal box but will require custom linkages at least i think (allthough ive not even looked into them fully as theres not much point unless your racing the car at a high standard)

I guess man, I know as soon as I saw the thread somebody was going to get
rinsed out hard.

Ryan 6th January 2009 22:08

the C2R2 boxes were a great build from PSA-sadev.

the 5 speed was made for cost cutting (for the drivers and teams) Sadly the two gearsets available are not much use for anything but a forrest rally car and to have sadev make different FD etc isnt cheap.

The quaife gearsets also have strength issues, something unusual from quaife yet quite apparent on a few MA gearsets ive been told about

jwilson2814 17th January 2011 00:02

all good and well buying one, need to know how to use it properly though

heel and toe ftw ;)

plus, if you do get one, get a proper lever and watch the push/pull back after you change.

seriously though, it's a waste on a saxo, like someone asking if its possible for a double clutch paddle shift next :P;)

tom_lloyd_4 17th January 2011 00:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissawyer21 (Post 2853524)
How would you go about fiting this in a Saxo VTS?

and would it be useable on the roads?

not much use for one round our way better off spending moneys on suspension to cope with the huge pot holes lol mite have seen you round bordon as over that was quite a lot do you no "turbo" :A:;)

evensteven 17th January 2011 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 2853721)
cossie boxes are bigger an have the centre diff in

saxo ones are slightly cheaper (found an unused one for 5k)

Show me said gearbox!


Hewland want 8995 + vat.

excluding shafts, diff, a bellhousing that will fit the TU engine, gearshifter etc etc.


Cossie boxes are cheaper... because there is a wider market for it than saxo/106s.

AlexB 17th January 2011 15:09

Guys look at the dates of post then ask yourself one question

why the fuck are you posting in a 2 year old thread

Ryan 17th January 2011 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by evensteven (Post 5034934)
Show me said gearbox!


Hewland want 8995 + vat.

excluding shafts, diff, a bellhousing that will fit the TU engine, gearshifter etc etc.


Cossie boxes are cheaper... because there is a wider market for it than saxo/106s.

old thread but steve, the c2R2 Sadev 5speed is considerably cheaper than most of the other sequentials out there.

KamRacing 17th January 2011 17:36

I bought some ex peugeot touring car gearboxes for my 205. For kudos points its great. Financially it was pretty stupid as I could have got the car working a long time ago with the straght cut gearbox I had before.

mattrallye 25th April 2016 13:53

I have just fitted a C2R2 gearbox to my 106 S1 Rallye. Works a treat and ideal for speed events especially when it's mapped for flat shift. It's not a simple conversion but well worth it if competing in rallying, hills or sprints.

edbar1 25th April 2016 21:20

As Matt said great for single venue rallying or sprints and hillclimbs but any circuit use and top end isn't there, 111mph in matts case on 15" rims at 7800rpm.
Lovely box though

mattrallye 27th April 2016 18:10

Thank you Edward


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