Turbo setup, Can standard ecu be mapped for turbo??
 

Im looking at turboing my vtr but only wanting a low boost setup because of cost wise. It will be taken off road in the future and being built to be a track/weekend car. I was thinking of either doing it to a vts but heard that vtr's are good with boost and have got internals which i think seen from wide vtr turbo say that. So would that be best without changing internals?
Also ive read up on here all about turboing but need to know
1. What turbo to use?
2. Manifold as dont want a standard one modified?
3. Intercooler?
4. Should i get oil cooler also?
5. Whats a safe psi to run at and what would the std internals take and max power?

turbo is optional all depends as most with price, read the stickies mate t2 t25 t28 all suitable for low boost
manifolds are expensive which is why people modify standard
vtr over s i beleive is because vtr mani is easier to modify plus many see the 8v an easier lump to work on dont as why?
you wil need inercooler and a msaal oil cooler should be adequate for low boost
theres no safe psi for stock internals but 8 is said safe max but id say reliable max is 6, but as gav has proved being respectfull to a car you can run 14psi for a good while long as you know it will go bang eventually

How much are you looking to spend and what sort or engine management and fuelling are you planning to use?

their is pages of the basic set up on here mate just got to look. or type it in google n put saxperience after wat u want to search and it shout come up.

dp engineering look on their site man they have the mani i want to buy for mine. also ci tuning, gmc motorsports. get some ideas off them and build ur oen kit or if u have the money buy one of their kits.

you can use any petroll turbo i supose as long as you get a mani mad to fit... most ppl have t2, t3, t4, t25.. i believe some one somewer has a skyline turbo on theirs but ull just have to turn the boost down.

u can fine intercooles anywhere just got to get one that fits in you car lol as the problem i have with the one i just baught.

definatly get a oil cooler.

like everyone gets told. do everything properly the 1st tym it will be better and cheaper! forge it. uprate injectors 2-4 bar map sensor stan alone ecu... alot of money no matter wat you do so go all out :)

jus found a decent size intercooler on ebay actually brand new 2 1/4" inlets to(same as vtr) for79 with 8 postage

What intercooler would fit? Do i need to get rid of the radiator to? Well id run standalone if found a cheap enough one. Can i put any injectors on? What power would i get from 6-8 psi? Is it just pistons, rods that need changing internally as for forged internals? Also would look at camming with probs a ph3 cam.

Ive heard that the 200sx mani fits but need modifying, what actually needs doing to it?

allright bud just been reading posts a wide range of good advice from people who know take it on board and stick to it . i diddent and found myself out of pocket and without a car for a while .i put a turbo on my vts used all std internels and only used a sigcon and a mf2 5th injector running at 15 psi boost the max for the pug 306 deisel turbo i was useing (yes i did just bodge it) thought i knew it all but when took it to a rolling road and got a couple of mates there bigin the car up put in on the rollers when it got to 197bhp BANG oil smoke and outher parts flew out of the engin bay (including all the money i had) and thay still charged me for the use (all im saying mate is beleve what thay saying and dont take any short cuts or youl end up like my car):wacko:

i think you would be ok using a renault5 intercooler. it may fit easier in the engine bay and should be ok for low boost.. but i baught a fat chrome front mount looks wicked ah will get the air extra cool. its just fittin thats a problem.

no you wil still need your rad, i was going to try get an uprated one that loks better or get a smaller one to save room. havent found one yet tho.

their is some one on here that has done his own ecu for a few people nad has had alot of good feedback. i believe he is doing one for the 8v one plug now so ill be looking to invest in that.

injectors.. if your running low boost your standar injectors should do. i have a fith injector on mine with the mf2.. im not to sure about injectors. it tepends if your getin direct replacement or gonna change the whole thing but they do uprated injectors on gmc motorsports.

yea forge pistons steel conrods should do it but their realy expensive plus fitting. cams will help increase the air flow. and im sure poeple would usuali run 160/180 bhp but can get up to 220 all depend how good the work is done and the remap. but if you go stanalone u can have alot more..

sorry if any spelling is wrong my wireless keyboard is playing up but hope u understand.

what are the internals that need changing then? Rods, pistons? Is it worth getting it done to vts over vtr but vtr internals go well with boosted and mines done 48k atm and runs fine.

yea the rods and pistons. im not sure wich engine will handle boost better but i believe the vtr works better with a turbo with the way it spools up n that. but no matter if you have vts or vtr if u wanna run sill bhp they will both need it done. if you do get it done then instead of runnig 180bhp and worrying is it ok, you can run 300 with a smile on your face ha if u wanna go that far.

Look in the Articles or FAQ pages. There are guides on turbo set ups.

GMC do an intercooler/rad combi for the saxo i believe.

Well i was looking at getting the turbo mani thats for sale for vtr on here. But if changed pistons, rod id do vts because would get alot more power. What power range would be difference between the vtr and s? I just n eed to know what turbo should i go for, etc? Is there anyones threads would be worth reading up about whos got a good setup.

What you guys think to this? Seems a good buy tbh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-TURBO-INT...d=p3286.c0.m14

thats what i sed i baught already. i have it fitted to my car now. its good. but i just payed bit to much for the piping. if you buy that and get the piping sumwhere else ull be ok. but it looks ace on my car. its exactly like the one shown in the pictures ubove

have you got the link for this? ill take a browse now.. sounds interesting :)

sorry theirs another post on the intercooler piping if you look on that it has a proper picture of how it will look on your saxo.

http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/index...products_id=89

alot of money tho...

When people say about new driveshafts can you get uprated ones or just same as standard ones? What sort of power can they take?

who made up that vtr internals are better for boost than 16v?

you should read some good books about engines, turboing and mapping before you start on this imo. and read through the progress threads of cars that have been turbo'd successfully.

your drive shaft should be fine with the power as long as you dont drive like a d1ck..

What sort of power would you get from a vtr on low boost say 5-6psi? And a vts? Just to see the differnce in power because may look at doing my vtr engine on low boost for the time being. If got a vts engine done id rebuild it just so i know everythings new and been changed so less likely to go bang.

Depends how well its done but 130 140 ish

Is that all.

why would you only rebuild the vts? if you going to rebuild a engine to turbo it i dont think it would matter if it was a vts or vtr as you would run mad power out of both.... thats if you mean forge in the rebuild...

Well if got forged to run big power then id only do to vts as no point spending silly money on vtr but if just wanted a low boost set up then wouldnt change internals and go for vtr engine as was looking at the mani of vtr t on here that he has forsale atm. But not sure to go turbo or bodies although the sound of bodies would be good and be more reliable on the cheaper option but would deffinately prefer to turbo if can so for same sort of money. Would like to get car around 0-60 in 7 secs and about 180bhp so 200bhp per tonne roughly.

Was thinking of either 1.8t 20v turbo off a golf or something or a r5 turbo. Or what would be better? What injectors should i get or keep standards. Think im going to go for vtr turbo atm and get used to the power and tbh my vtr is quite quick enough for me for the time being but my car will be becoming a track/ weekend car.

Looking at getting this

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=243537&page=2

yes mate that would be fat! but alot of money... well worth it tho. hmmm wat more would you get out of a vts than a vtr? if the waas both forged n and uprated the same??? i believe the vtr would be better....

yea most people use a t2,t3,t4,t15,t25 turbo, i think im gonna change myn to a t 25 next year when i get my vtr forged.

if your gonna just get the usual low boost set up and run a fith injector then your standard injectors should be ok, but im sure some1 said injectors out of a clio sport would be a gd upgrde...

Well was going to just get bigger injectors rather than put a 5th injector in for future when go for more power maybe. What sort of power do you think could get from a forged vtr engine? And what psi could run it at?
Also how do you change the psi on a turbo setup? If got standalone is there any good cheaper ones about? Why would you say vtr better than s?

What power would vtr turbo run at 5-6psi? about 150? Would i be able to go somewhere that makes universal exhausts to build me a downpipe or that not possible?

if you get your vtr forged, then you could run 400+bhp if you wated and got the money too.. if youcan keeit on the road.

luthor1 on here has done his own ecu for the vts and is makin on for the vtr now. i will be trying his ecu once its done. you can find it on here its called the predator ecu...

5-6 psi could give you anywhere between 140-200 depending on the rest of your set up.

you can change the psi with a bost controll valve...

How much are the boost control valves? Which one is a good one also? Would it be worth getting turbo timer too.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNIVERSAL-MANU...d=p3286.c0.m14

that is similar to the one i recently baught,

yea a turbo timer will look after you turbo, dont just buy a cheap one, i got a cheap on and its shit... dont even work lol. i will be buying a new one soon.

I think im going to go vts turbo with low boost at first as went in one last night that was running 5 psi and has 180 bhp. I prefer the look of vts engine too as vtrs look abit pewney lol.

you wont turbo anything, you'll just keep dreaming...

What the fuck do you know what i will and wont do to my car? How am i dreaming!

alot i think and then change your mind. Face it, it'll never happen.

if you go for "propper" standalone managment youll get alot more gains and more reliability i think.