6 x 9's
 

i hope the mods dont mind me posting this, but just to emphasie why 6 x9's are bad

Let's start with the contenious issue of 6x9's mounted in the parcel shelf.

If a system has good front speakers, normally 5 inch or greater, and a sub woofer then the whole range of music can be played effectivly.

If 6x9's are then added in the parcel shelf, and are playing full range the following issues occur..
Bass cancellation, due to the subs and 6x9's playing the same frequencies. It also muddles the sound quite badly. Due to the subs and 6x9's effectively sharing the same enclosure. In some severe cases they can even get destroyed due to the subs pushing too much air around them.

Also in this type of setup the sound is dragged backwards, this is down to personal preference.

If the 6x9's are setup not to play full range they can be useful. If they are set up in a bandpass configuration so they only play midbass. Roughly 300Hz-80Hz then they can add the extra kick which smaller components can't. This is useful for car where getting big speakers up front is a problem. However the sound is still dragged backwards quite badly.

In many situations where midbass can be played from the front it is better in terms of SQ to remove the rear speakers. This way the sub bass cannot be pinpointed so all the sound appears to be coming from the front.

thanks to "www.talkaudio.co.uk" for this info

6x9s on a parcel shelf with a sub in the boot will not work!

Simple demo.

1. Unplug you wires from your 6x9s
2. Set stereo at the normal listening volume as you would have it while driving.
3. Sit on the back seat of the car and look at the cones on the 6x9s. See how there moving! With out wires its a miricle aint it? no its not its the air presure that the subs moving in the boot thats making them move. If there where wired up they would be fighting this presure and you would not be getting the maximum you can from your sub.

Also is audio recorded in four channels errmmm NO its recored in two left and right (exept for the very rare 5.1 audio dvds that are availble) so you only need 2 channels which should be at the front of the car as if you were at a concert would you face the front or the back? The human ear is designed to hear sound at its optimum from the front. The reason you can get away with the sub being out of the way in the boot is that low frequancys travel well where as high frequancys dont.

thanks to dave ward for this

im glad you did im fed up with me and only a few others spreading the hate

i did write a good write up a few years back but ill be buggered if anyone actually read or paid attention to it

i would never buy 6x9s

there used to be a chavalier down my street with 6 of them on its parcel shelf

woohooooo another 6x9 hater....

maybe ill spread the hate when my front comps come, getting very pissed about them now though, been way over a month and many problems with caraudiosecurity and my mate

intresting, then i wont buy any, i already have:

2 x 12" 1200w sony xplod subs
2 x 240w jgx-525 mids (component set but crossovers blew)
2 x 150w ?brand tweeters
1 x 1000w sony xplod amp
1 x 600w 4 way pro plus amp

i need some more speakers from back of saxo now, what size are the back ones ?

i aint installed this yet but am going to, my cars (hopefully) going back to the garage on monday, it came back from a full respray but there little bits and bobs he missed out, then after that hopefully the install will begin without 6x9's ! lucky too, as i was going to buy some as i sold my previous one with the car.

need some more speakers from back of saxo now, what size are the back ones ?


no you dont dude, no need for back speakers at all

my 6*9s are fitted in the rear door card so i don't have this problem right?

you wotn suffer the sub air problem, just the problem of 6x9s being poorer speakers than you could have got

it will still affect the sound stage dino209

so whats the best set up for sum1 hu wants bass and mid range sound ??

best set up

is comps up front

no rear speakers

and subs in the boot

O ryte... klkl, i dnt kno much about car audio, assumed tht subs in the boot n 6x9s on parcel self was the best way to do it seen as most ppl i see have it done in their car.

no no no no no lol

please dont do that

it will sound horrible

LOL.. nah i wont now i kno, cheers 4 the help !!

my 6x9's will be comin out 2marro.....trust the experts!!!!!

and here i was thinkin 6x9s were essential in a gd sound system

well thats gna save me sum money wen i come 2 doin my ICE, cheers for the advice

you will NEVER see 6x9s in a system in the cars featured in say max power, redline etc

hehe max power august 2005 page 192 soory baz there was lol

ill rephrase that for him, cars with GOOD systems or proper competition sound cars either on SQL or SPL wont have 6x9s in them

That sounds like a challenge lol

its pretty much impossible as 6 x 9s will ruin the sound

i dont like 6x9s and dont have any


danny (dsh85) has them in his..says it all ;)

Chav X 69ers! are old news...

Stick sum powerfull meating proper speakers up front & let the bass hit you from the rear!


any opurtunity! ASW!

couldn't have posted earlier mates??? what will i do with mine? just throw them away? where can i place them for effective sound?

place them under your seat where you can't hear them nah dunno, mine are sat in parcel shelf for now while i try and find a new parcel shelf for it without any holes in.

EDIT: sat in parcel shelf disconnected

real shame though, 1 cut the shelf out...

such as life if you think they are good, keep them in until you do some upgrading, thats what i did

Hmm, some interesting issues.

after doing a A level involving anologue signals. There are alot of benefits that this guy has missed out.

Without a sub are 6*9s an ok idea??

what about if it is just a simple set up, ie standard front speakers, 6*9s and a basic sub and amp?? Not everyone wants to ( or can afford to) set up a competition standard install.

yer.....just what i was thinking??
Im planning on not gettin a sub at the mo, just getting 6x9s as my money is going elsewhere!

Unleash the knowledge man I wanna hear this please

I know i am going to get abuse from this but

I had 4 alpine 6x9's and 2x 12" vibe subs with Vibe front components in my Ibiza and it sound very good indeed, the sounds was ultra clear at high volume and never had any problems and they all WORKED fine. When in the front of the car the sound came from the front but in the back it was from the 6x9's, i never put any bass though the 6x9 so hence why the sound was so crystal clear.

i cant fault my 6*9s either

infact i was told theyd stop working and theyre still mint 18 months later


they may possibly go in polololololololo

who told you they would stop working? They will certainly gain damage to them over time but stop working thats a bit extreme.

still will never compare to decent components

So, I get the point that 6x9's are the worts possible audio to put in your car but what is the best, up front speak and sub wise ?

Cheers
Dan

they are not the worse at all, depends on the speaker. I got some alpine 6x9's clear as anything, sub wise Vibe are good, or Audiobahn there are a few good names out there, shop around and read some reviews !

Ok, Well "not good"

What would be the best possible audio for your car on a medium sized budget ?

Cheers
Dan

whats a medium sized budget? there are front speakers going for £1k+ so....£500? lol

i like my Alphasonik comps, they where £150

noticed that no one brought up the fact the 6x9s scream out...smash my back window and take me! speaking from expeirence! as many of my m8s would aswel! good indication that you got a little more dan 6x9s in ya car aswel...once they got ya 6x9s out comes the sub..amp and headunit...no matter how many screws u put in the f**kers!
6x9s get me madddd! lol