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_Jon_ 24th December 2010 15:23

MK1 VTS gsxr itb's/Newman ph3's/predator ECU/ Buckets/ And light weight!
 
Right so some of you may have seen my liquid yellow furio wich is soon going to be up for sale and my mk1 posi blue vts is going to be the next project :y:
I've got a Sandy/Colin GSXR throttle bodied set-up, newman ph3's, predator ecu, light weight is now the key!

Only got the one picture at the moment:

SaxbyPK 24th December 2010 23:03

nice car, i like standard tail lights smoked like tha :D

-shuggles- 25th December 2010 11:04

anything bigger than a ph3 cam needs the pistons pocketed for clearance irc I'm sure a few people on here are getting about 160ish bhp from ph3's and itb's:y:

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 20:50

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Originally Posted by SaxbyPK (Post 4970670)
nice car, i like standard tail lights smoked like tha :D

thanks mate, yeah think im going to do one of my standard set the same as these have been done badly :n:

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 20:53

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Originally Posted by -shuggles- (Post 4971052)
anything bigger than a ph3 cam needs the pistons pocketed for clearance irc I'm sure a few people on here are getting about 160ish bhp from ph3's and itb's:y:

yeah Im up for going the hole hog and changing pistons, com rods the lot if it means more power :)

phunkymonkey 25th December 2010 20:54

yeah as said ph3's or cat cams 708's!

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 20:57

well I've been told it has piper-cams at the moment? not sure if it does will only find out when I get my 205 out of the garage and get the saxo in to start taking it apart

Dave_P 25th December 2010 21:11

What yr is the car?

Its big money once you go for TB's/pistons/rods/management...

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 21:14

P reg mate so 98 if im correct?

Dave_P 25th December 2010 21:24

96-97 ;)

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 21:47

I knew that :P whys that any way?

_Jon_ 25th December 2010 22:13

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Originally Posted by Dave_P (Post 4971758)
What yr is the car?

Its big money once you go for TB's/pistons/rods/management...

Well that depends on what you call big money ;)

rorz_vts 27th December 2010 22:05

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Originally Posted by _Jon_ (Post 4971879)
Well that depends on what you call big money ;)

itb's - around £1000 / £1200 with filter
pistons and rods - £900 / £1000 with matching HG
management - £600 + mapping
Cams - £400 + followers/springs + pullieys £800
new timing kit + waterpump = £100
headwork and Bottom end bored (if going for over sized pistons) = £600-1000
engine mount kit - £175
full exhaust system - £600

that should cover the basics, cheaper to go turbo for the power to money ratio

_Jon_ 27th December 2010 23:12

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Originally Posted by rorz_vts (Post 4974826)
itb's - around £1000 / £1200 with filter
pistons and rods - £900 / £1000 with matching HG
management - £600 + mapping
Cams - £400 + followers/springs + pullieys £800
new timing kit + waterpump = £100
headwork and Bottom end bored (if going for over sized pistons) = £600-1000
engine mount kit - £175
full exhaust system - £600

that should cover the basics, cheaper to go turbo for the power to money ratio

well you've gotta have a reason to get up go to work everyday and this is going to be mine :):y:

and ITB's can get a decent hardly used set for less cash
mapping I know people that know people :wink:
followers springs and pullies arn't the most expensive thing in the world if you look around there is always someone willing to give you a deal!
I've got a timing kit and pretty sure I've got a water pump laying around somewhere :y:
and when I go to the lengths of head work and pitons etc im going for a supercharger set up along with it!
oh and all I need is a manifold so all in all won't really cost that much! all these things take time to do so work work work then play ;)

Thanks for the help mate helps brake it down a bit im really just looking for a good setup without having to change piston sizes compression etc so ph3 and which ever ITB's I can get for the best price!

joe333 28th December 2010 08:47

woow long list with big prices, its a big project in terms off money and effort...at the end off the day it all on how much time and money you have but it will defo pay off and be worth it :y:

_Jon_ 28th December 2010 15:38

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Originally Posted by joe333 (Post 4975572)
woow long list with big prices, its a big project in terms off money and effort...at the end off the day it all on how much time and money you have but it will defo pay off and be worth it :y:

yeah but unfortuantly anything to do with cars is expensive lol! and yeah I hope so mate.

_Jon_ 29th December 2010 18:31

does anyone know if bike carbs are any good compared with ITB's? and what sort of power gains they produce? thanks Jon

phunkymonkey 29th December 2010 18:36

carbs are pants!! bike tb's are ok tho!

_Jon_ 29th December 2010 18:43

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Originally Posted by phunkymonkey (Post 4979120)
carbs are pants!! bike tb's are ok tho!

really? never really heard much about them to be honest! hmm any idea on how much bike tb's are?

Yates 29th December 2010 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by rorz_vts (Post 4974826)
itb's - around £1000 / £1200 with filter
pistons and rods - £900 / £1000 with matching HG
management - £600 + mapping
Cams - £400 + followers/springs + pullieys £800
new timing kit + waterpump = £100
headwork and Bottom end bored (if going for over sized pistons) = £600-1000
engine mount kit - £175
full exhaust system - £600

that should cover the basics, cheaper to go turbo for the power to money ratio

thing is you dont need to get piston and rods, followers/springs/puleys
head work or bottom end work done, or engine mounts

get ph3s or 708s and you dont need any of the above

when did a full exhaust system cost £600?!?! btb wasnt even that new!

car may not need timing kit or water pump either, depending on when it was last changed.

_Jon_ 29th December 2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by Yates (Post 4979155)
thing is you dont need to get piston and rods, followers/springs/puleys
head work or bottom end work done, or engine mounts

get ph3s or 708s and you dont need any of the above

when did a full exhaust system cost £600?!?! btb wasnt even that new!

car may not need timing kit or water pump either, depending on when it was last changed.

yeah I know I want to do the timing and water pump as it's bin stood for a while and have no history for the car so best to do everything as I go :y:

_Jon_ 4th January 2011 20:58

Right a bit of progress finally!

Took the front end off the vts on monday to find that someone has cut a chunk out of the slam panel :n: and took the engine out and the loom that had caught alight some how:





Also I found that the previous owner decided to put the rocker covers on with what looks like a bucket full of sump sealer! has gone a bit over board and it was everywhere :n: :




_Jon_ 16th January 2011 19:53

Not a great deal to update waiting on Colin/Sandy for my gsxr throttle bodied set-up before I put the engine all back together, I can also confirm that it does have piper cams! :y: which is a bonus saves me buying some Newman ph3's, also I got myself a cheap set of alloys which im hoping to spray them all white (most of you will say its common and every one does posi-blue and white but I like it so I don't care! :), so here is a few pics of the set of 5 alloys I purchased this morning:



h_boy 16th January 2011 20:39

Wow thats a big list of parts for the car lol. Fair doos to ya mate, Think it will really pay off in the end and be sweeet as. Not sure about the rims, but i guess they will look miles different with a lick of paint on em.

_Jon_ 16th January 2011 22:16

yeah they're just some cheap ones to get me by for a while mate they will look alright i hope :y: and thanks :)

_Jon_ 5th February 2011 16:08

Bit more progess, colin should have finished my gsxr itb's on friday so should hopefully have those soon :y: also I've de-badged my grill and started to wide-mouth the front bumper and finished polishing my rocker covers finally (mainly because I was bored and cant do anything else to the car as its outside in the rain!) I've also decided to get my self a set of newman ph3's, still on the hunt for these.

right any way here's a couple of pics:





_Jon_ 7th February 2011 20:55

wide mouth half way just been plastic welded needs filling and painting now:

also the ride hight on the rear with the cheap lightweights :) (front is on axle stands):

_Jon_ 9th February 2011 21:35

The GSXR throttle bodie's:


Jay_ 9th February 2011 21:50

looks nice those dude! whats the differences between bike bodies and normal bodies performance wise and fitting etc?

-shuggles- 9th February 2011 21:59

great update:y:

_Jon_ 10th February 2011 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayyoung (Post 5105444)
looks nice those dude! whats the differences between bike bodies and normal bodies performance wise and fitting etc?

As for the fitting this will be same as a normal intake manifold as it's been fabricated by Colin/sandy so same bolt holes etc... and as for the power I couldn't tell you im afraid lol will have to wait and see what the end results produce :y:

_Jon_ 10th February 2011 20:15

can anyone think of anything elce I need to do to get the bodies up and running? i know i need to change ecu and get a remap and ecu loom adapted but other than that any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Richy_Rich 10th February 2011 21:18

You'll probably Need a new throttle cable, I highly recommend a filter! Makes no difference on performance! Proved as well, as long as you get a decent spaced sausage one....

_Jon_ 11th February 2011 07:43

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich (Post 5108142)
You'll probably Need a new throttle cable, I highly recommend a filter! Makes no difference on performance! Proved as well, as long as you get a decent spaced sausage one....

Right ok that helps I just need to know all the little bits to be honest lol, and yeah I was thinking of a filter otherwise thats 4 big holes for sh*t to suck into :n:

cheers rich

Richy_Rich 11th February 2011 10:18

No worries!

If yo do get one, ITG are the way forward, check my blog if you need any other ideas/questions

_Jon_ 11th February 2011 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richy_Rich (Post 5109183)
No worries!

If yo do get one, ITG are the way forward, check my blog if you need any other ideas/questions

how much did you pay for yours? yeah I will do later mate :y:

Richy_Rich 11th February 2011 15:13

Erm, I can't remember, I paid colin for it. So I got the whole things, filter, baseplate all included with the inlet.

this is the one I got

http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p1...8d1ab476eb7570

_Jon_ 11th February 2011 15:27

damn so that about £130 with the base plate, man my shopping list is getting expensive, already has predator ECU, ECU loom adapting, newman ph3's, some welding to be done on the shell, and pay Colin for the GSXR's hmmm lol oh and ofcourse mapping after that! lol

Richy_Rich 11th February 2011 15:34

lols!

How much is it ecu setting you back? Were you going for mapping?

_Jon_ 11th February 2011 15:51

not sure yet on the price :/ but thinking of going atspeed for mapping :y:


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