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VTS_16v_Boy 25th November 2006 09:35

Whats the best rev range to keep a VTS in?
 
While Im driving sportingly (with the speed limits . . . ) what is the best range to keep the revs within to get the most out of my VTS.

Ive got a open induction kit, 4branch manifold, sports cat and cat back exhaust so its a little bit more free revin than normal.

Thanx :clapping:

mintminton 25th November 2006 10:00

between 3-5k i would say, keepin it in the middle of the range

rushy_23 25th November 2006 10:07

3-5k would be ideal but best performance as standard is definatly in the range
of 4k to at least 6.5k. Thats when it really screams I find!

Isnt peak power/torque at 5.5k? Something like that.

babers 25th November 2006 10:19

If i am haveing a bit of fun down a B road i keep it in 3rd at about 4k

Japman 25th November 2006 10:26

i love 2nd gear,it puts me rite back in the seat lol

don55 25th November 2006 10:31

Max. output
(DIN) 118.6 PS (117.0 bhp) (87.2 kW) @6600 rpm


Max. torque
(DIN) 145.0 Nm (107 lbft) (14.8 kgm) @5200 rpm

so id be keepint it between 5000rpm and the limiter

Luke 25th November 2006 10:31

VTS kicks in after 3,500 and then like Rushy said peak performance is around 5,500 RPM.

I'd love one, but I'd keep it between 3 and 3.5k tbh.

don55 25th November 2006 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke (Post 776749)
VTS kicks in after 3,500 and then like Rushy said peak performance is around 5,500 RPM.

I'd love one, but I'd keep it between 3 and 3.5k tbh.

are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

babers 25th November 2006 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55 (Post 776750)
are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

is it not 4.5k

don55 25th November 2006 10:37

look at the data i posted.

i wait till about 5.5k before i stop it when in second, that puts you back in yuor seat alright.

babers 25th November 2006 10:40

never knew that will keep the revs a bit higher now, lol,

Japman 25th November 2006 10:44

4.5k to 5 k i notice the power kicking in,brings a smile to my face lol

don55 25th November 2006 10:44

yup, dont be affraid of it lol, keep it in the arse and take it to the limiter every time, i only really hit the limiter on second, in 3rd you have a little more time to get a better shift.

i only have

4 branch
2 1/4" custom exhaust, side exit.
piperX panel filter

of curse were talking about track/private driving here, i dont drive like this all the time lol, jsut so there is no confision

rushy_23 25th November 2006 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavcollier (Post 776743)
i love 2nd gear,it puts me rite back in the seat lol

Yea 2nd gear is awesome, 1st gear is over in like 0.2seconds lol!


Quote:

Originally Posted by don55 (Post 776750)
are you on crack, kickin in at 3500, have you ever driven one, power comes in around 5.5k

yea peak power is around 5.5 to 6k. But you cant say that there isnt any kick
at 4k to 4.5k!!
It still pulls hard at that rev range.
From what ive noticed from 4k it pulls hard, 5-6k is where the party is. This
will burn out just after 7k. No point reving it any more.

Japman 25th November 2006 10:48

yea riteo mate lol bet ur always putting ur foot to the floor haha,i am

babers 25th November 2006 10:50

only ever hit the limiter once and that was in first look me by surprise as i did not now the saxo had one lol.

last time i hit the limiter i snapped the rocker arm and spark plug got hit by the piston lol that was in a vauxhall tho

rushy_23 25th November 2006 10:51

Nah dont bother tbh. Even at the lights whe n you know the man in his
suit wants to race in his company car vectra.
Whats the point? The lights down the bottom will only change to red later
lol!!

don55 25th November 2006 10:53

on a vts???, it doesn't have any rockers !

no way does it burn out after 7k, it goes right up to the limit, and prob further.

yer thre is kick at 4.5k but thre is none at 3.5 lol

go out in your cars and let it idle along in 2nd gear, so your rolling at about 8mph, on a straight road, and then floor it, watch it go to 5kish and then go mental.

i have a vid but cant find it anywhere.

hesslevtr 25th November 2006 10:53

id say from abou 4k - limiter

don55 25th November 2006 10:57

rushy were talking about track driving, not traffic light grad prix's

rushy_23 25th November 2006 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55 (Post 776773)
rushy were talking about track driving, not traffic light grad prix's

Where in the thread did I state street racing and racing on a track.

Also all my comments were regarding a standard VTS.

Yea obviously the best point in the rev range is 5k-5.5k. But by that what your saying is around a track you hold the revs at this range constantly??

My point was regarding the best range mate. On a track you want to keep
the car in the best rev range. Yes I agree round a track 3.5k is no good
but imo the lowest you would want to drop the revs to will be around 4.5k.
That will still give you enough torque and keep the car pokey enough.

Finally as I stated the best power band will end at just over 7k on a standard
VTS. If you dont agree then slowly boot it in 1st or 2nd up to those sorts
of revs and you can actually feel that the amount of torque has dropped.

Why hold the revs so high is its not producing any more power

:bored:

don55 25th November 2006 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23 (Post 776764)
Nah dont bother tbh. Even at the lights whe n you know the man in his
suit wants to race in his company car vectra.
Whats the point? The lights down the bottom will only change to red later
lol!!


right thre you mentioned it lol.


But by that what your saying is around a track you hold the revs at this range constantly??


when did i say that, i said 5k to the limiter.

well as you say it dies out jsut after 7k, the limit is 7250, so its not far after, also if you have another corner coming up, no point shifting to 3rd, keep it it second to the limit, or back of a litle, it will save you time in the long run.

rushy_23 25th November 2006 11:12

Yea fully agree mate,
round a track you constantly hold the revs up high in lower gears when required to keep the
speed around the track. Keep the car working.

I just didnt find your Grand Prix comment amusing. Obviously judging me
without even knowing me.
My mention of street racing was that i Dont do it, read it again mate.... If you dont get that then i can draw a pic on paint for you when
I get in from work tonight..

There was no mention of me street racing in this thread, and using that information to talk about
the VTS rev range.

don55 25th November 2006 11:23

yer sorry, i did get the wrong end of your stick, and i applogise, i dont know you and dont judge you at all mate.

if you could do a picture, it would amuse me greatly lol.

rushy_23 25th November 2006 11:26

No Worries :P

Will do mate, enjoy using paint! Will make it comic dont worry.

Lets get back to subject lol!

don55 25th November 2006 11:32

dont know what else there is to talk about, 5k to the limiter :D

Neil_H 25th November 2006 12:11

It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.

craig180 25th November 2006 12:23

Ideal time to change gear is just over the peak power. If your vts outputs 130bhp @ 6600 rpm then change at about 6800-6900. That way your next gear is closer to the power band.

As for the actual power band for your car mr 16v boy I would say you will get a kick at about 4k then feel the horses working overtime at about 5.5k

rushy_23 25th November 2006 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_H (Post 776850)
It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.

In this man, I trust.

don55 25th November 2006 12:48


don55 25th November 2006 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_H (Post 776850)
It's best to change gear just before the limiter, so dropping you straight back into the power band when changing up a gear.


thats quite a bold statement to make

do you actually know the rev drops per gear change, i have the info somewhere but cant find it

Neil_H 25th November 2006 13:11

I have read the info on rev drops between gear changes, not sure off the top of my head though Don.

craig180 25th November 2006 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_H (Post 776925)
I have read the info on rev drops between gear changes, not sure off the top of my head though Don.

Easy way to overcome this is to keep on the throttle between gears or use something like the omex full throttle gear change and limiter. Also has a launch control system!!!

Neil_H 25th November 2006 13:20

I just find that changing gear just before the limit seems to work for me.

Japman 25th November 2006 13:22

yea me to neil i change just before the limit

Neil_H 25th November 2006 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180 (Post 776936)
Easy way to overcome this is to keep on the throttle between gears or use something like the omex full throttle gear change and limiter. Also has a launch control system!!!

Only problem with that mate is that you are putting extra stress on the g/box, and as well all know, they aren't the strongest of boxes.

craig180 25th November 2006 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_H (Post 776941)
Only problem with that mate is that you are putting extra stress on the g/box, and as well all know, they aren't the strongest of boxes.

Agreed but you are also putting strain on the box jumping up and down the revs.

My box has done about 70k and it does get abused occasionally. Would it not be the clutch that takes all the crap? I have a paddle clutch on mine which is either in or out. How would that affect the box? Asking now for my own piece of mind!:P

don55 25th November 2006 13:39

why on gods great planet would you want to keep your foot on the gas when the clutch in pressed during a gear change, all it will do is bang of the limiter and then fry the clutch as you let it back up, the engine is doin 7250 and the gearbox, say goin into 2nd will be at 3000 something, by by clutch plate.

don55 25th November 2006 13:41

anyway here is the data.


rushy_23 25th November 2006 13:49

Wish I could see it, work sucks putting bans on websites!

Whats wrong with Photobucket!


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