firstly thank you all for helping much appreciated and secondly the car is now sorted i was shocked to find what it was causing me such headaches but ......... it was down to the missing thermostat i put a new one in and its been fine since starting up like it should and no slow cranking i would never have thought a missing thermostat could do that i know the older cars used to run just fine without one but theses newer engines don't like it and play up lol
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