[RS_Matt]

Originally Posted by DaveWard

Heres a good one for you.

Go to any electrical shop you want today and look at home stereo systems. How many speakers are the sold with. I bet the answers is two! There is a reason for this. Music is recoreded in stereo thats got two channels!

more and more are being sold with 5.1 these days, and many are ditching hifi's and running with dvd players with 5.1 - most cd's dont play surround either (SACD), just music that goes to front and rear dvd speakers if the option is chosen. sounds great with echo!

People want good systems at home because the average room is good accoustically and home is the common place to relax, driving these days is strenuous to say the least and cars have sh*te musical properties, road and engine noise is also a burden - 7x10's give clear accurate bass and serious volume, bass is lost to high frequencies when driving so why spend extra money on decent fronts aiming for superb SQ - save that for home!

Good 6x9's or 7x10's on a decent amp can give you all you want whilst driving in a car, use some decent 2-way speakers in the front off a small amp cut off under 80-150hz or so to add a bit of ambience! - good rear shelf speakers are ideal for those wanting a stealth system too, expensive door builds are asking to be taxed!!!

If Quez thinks his speakers everywhere system sounds better then a rainbow and genesis system I reckon it must have been setup by a deaf and blind man or just simple idiot!

Personal preference, it might be certain tones he believes play better with speakers installed in different materials. Like I say you can have the best sounding system on the market, its all lost on a car. Might aswell stage a concert in a generator room.

Heres a chalange to all the oval speaker loving brigade. If oval speakers are so good find me a recording studio anywhere in the world that uses them as monitors! I am so confident that you wont find one that for each one you do find, I will donate £10 to a registered Cancer charity.

Thats because 6x9's are designed to fit on thin shelves, they are space savers, recording studios with dearth space may consider them.

You wont find one!

They have space enough not to use car speakers.

Round is the optimum speaker shape!

but an expensive 6x9 sounds as good as a mid priced oval speaker, and they can handle larger wattages that smaller speakers can't.

As for speakers in the rear it just drags the sound stage back and ruins the sound.

doesn't really make a difference once the sound is reaching silly wattage and like many say a passenger makes the sound mono. Rear speakers are head height front fire at feet.

Simple one is next time you go to any event thats got a PA system. Look at eveyone there where will they all be facing? I bet its towards the stage where the speakers are not with there backs towards it! This is because the human ear recives sound best from the front. Go look i na mirror. Look at the shape of your ears there cupped towards the front to help recive sound!

Not all concerts, some experiment with sound at the back and larger acts have speakers in the middle of the arena, and you'll find Stringfellows have a more expensive pa system than The Arctic monkeys - one is all around!!!

I've heard many big bass installs and comps just can't compete with the bass, they are there for when the competitors turn the bass down on the graphics etc and listen to their Quo.

This threads really starting to piss me off. Theres people posting shit in here that dont have much of a clue about Audio in general and know even less about car audio.

So are you gonna offer someone out over it? I know as much as you.

whats so wrong giving an opionion on the other options? are you gonna lower your standards now to that of the SSC scum when they posted a pic of a woman being raped to piss my gf off?

Those who don't have shelf speakers on mdf in my estimation are sheep and know nothing about installs. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Why lock topics, give bad rep and ban members if they don't agree with you?

Its amazing just how many saxo owners have purchased and or owned Lexus Lights or 6x9's at some stage, most be some other reason than a certain style guru has branded them undesirable!!!

I remember when 6 spokes were next on the hit list after 3 spokes!

Don't be a sheep my impressionable/malleable Saxo owning friends!!!!!!!

I have been in to car audio for 11 years now. In this time I have visted car shows all over europe and listend to some show winning cars (including European top class SQ non dealer sound off winner). I myself have run a show spec system. If you aint got a clue dont say fuck all. This I have got X Y and Z and it sounds the bollox mate what are you compairing it to? Have you actully listened to a decent system?

I have been into car audio too for 12 years and listened to all kinds of set ups and had all kinds of systems, big and small. I don't just do the sq scene. I'm big on accurate bass in the car so sometimes sq comes a second best. I save the HQ for home.

You dont need to spend a lot of money to create a good sounding system. I have put together a decent sounding system for less then £100 before! Using 2nd hand gear.

mines as a little as £400 and it goes loud and clear, gives me the bass I need with space left. The 7x10's really give me a good bass fill. Its the most accurate bass install I've ever heard!!!!!

Thats the cd/mp3 headunit, front components, 2 amps and a sub! This just proves you can do a decent system without breaking the bank. The way I see it is its best to get the best value for money you can when your going to spend it. I have seen and heard systems that have spent silly money spent on them that have sounded piss poor cause they have gone for poor products and/or had a poor install.

But we aren't on about poor products here or poor installation or breaking the bank. Just that 6x9's etc can be handy and can work.

Rememember its your car you doing the system for. Why say I want the passengers to ahve some sound in the back.
1) how much money have they spent on your system?
2) How often is there actully someone sat in the back of your car? If its a lot of the time I suggest you find some mates that can be arsed to get off there arses and get there own car!
3) Why deterate the quaility of the sound that your hear in YOUR car?

Its sounds fine, my bass demands wouldn't suit high power front speakers. Why put 100's of watts into front speakers to crackle in the doors firing at legs and being blocked by a passenger?

Most cars come with a quad system standard that works well for casual listeners, so if I and many others didn't have a sub, 6x9's/7x10's and decent fronts would be ideal. Never make the mistake of underestimating the bass response of mdf. I actually hear the music in the material the speakers are mounted in, so I'm very critical of loud front installs.

There are a lot of people on this forum who genuinely do know about ICE and hand out good quaility advise. Its not hard to work out whos who!

Not really advice, just stating how we have our systems and ways around problems that may arise running rear speakers.

My simple advise is dont waste money on rear speakers for your car! You really dont need them! This show season when your at shows have a look at, talk to the owners and listen to some quailty sounding systems. You will soon work out whats sounds the best. Just ignore the idiot cruse bregade who just think the more you can ram in your boot and parcel shelf the better. As these systems just sound shite!

Well I've stated why my 7x10's are good for me, I'm not an idiot I like how the rear speakers provide good midbass and save boot space on the sub. Speakers should be mounted in quality wood I've heard so many decent systems ruined by door speakers not cutting the mustard at high volumes, for low volumes great! thats why I want some fronts on a small amp to give me a touch more mid range as the stealth shelf muffles the 7x10's at low volume. - theives eh?

Fancy comps in door builds are good for stealth either - I could go on.

How the f*ck can fronts balance a good midbass with hard hitting subs?

Rant over for now!

Wonder how many concert and studio speakers are mounted in metal and plastic?

now that would be idiotic!!!!!