ok this is the right ones....
they are circuit race spec...
full rose jointed . as you can see they are mutch larger then b8
they are very similar to the tecnoshoks ones...
i payded 1270 euros for all 4 !! just fit to the car..
very good price!!i takes a 3 week time to be made...the rally spec is stok..but for circuit as to be worked again.