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8th January 2014, 18:59
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#1941
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The driver is everything tbh but a car with no power will loose if it can't keep up
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8th January 2014, 20:55
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#1942
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It's not only power... It's also weight/tyres/suspension.
It's logical a stock STI "loses" to a cammed/stripped VTS.
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8th January 2014, 21:24
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#1943
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North West
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Car(s): PH2 Peugeot 106 "race" car - Currently in pieces
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That vid is good but it shows a guy who obviously knows the track and his car really well. The other drivers could be new to the track or car or both so your bound to piss on them. That said, i'm not arguing against the points being made, i just wanted to highlight this as another variable in the whole "look at me blasting bigger cars on a track" situation.
Good videos though... Need to get back on the track soon!
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8th January 2014, 21:59
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#1944
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Originally Posted by Martijn_M
It's not only power... It's also weight/tyres/suspension.
It's logical a stock STI "loses" to a cammed/stripped VTS.
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Cannot wait to try mine on track martin, didn't you say you have a few mates over in holland with mx5's you looking forward to the ring? Ive got a couple track days booked already this year
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8th January 2014, 22:14
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#1945
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Saxperience Forum Bum
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Location: Nottingham
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Car(s): Stage 1 Mitsubishi Evo 6
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Originally Posted by greyjasper51
another n/a vs boost video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cG9x6JaZ4
it just goes to show how a half decent driver can pilot something that probably has half the power and not quite half the weight as fast as something that has a lot more power and in theory better handling (4wd)... |
Thing is though that saxo on the straights isn't far off speed wise to scoobie, not knocking your point at all but the power to weight of both are probably quite close..
Like when my cousin went to croft with his girlfriend in his evo 5, she was getting done by civics, clio sports etc. As she was new to track. My cousin was then obviously knocking spots off them and they couldn't get close.
A good driver makes the world of difference, that's proven eith the tranny van round the nurburgring by that crazy german chick... clarkson was struggling in a much more powerful jag.
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8th January 2014, 23:06
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#1946
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very nice car 
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8th January 2014, 23:14
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#1947
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Just proves my point of a half decent driver
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9th January 2014, 08:23
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#1948
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Originally Posted by Aly
Cannot wait to try mine on track martin, didn't you say you have a few mates over in holland with mx5's you looking forward to the ring? Ive got a couple track days booked already this year
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Yeah soms guys i know drive MX5's. Not sure if they might go to the Ring though.
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9th January 2014, 09:26
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#1949
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Good discussion lads 
The ring exaggerates a good driver vs average driver IMO
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9th January 2014, 10:42
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#1950
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The ring exaggerates EVERYTHING scares the living bejesus out of me! Especially going 120mph down foxhole with a pack of 911's and Megane's sat on your back bumper with a left hander coming up LOL
So JP share the love? Why's the engine out?
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9th January 2014, 22:00
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#1951
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I was doing 130+ in Alex's gti down the foxhole last year... Love that section!
You'll have to wait and see. Here's a teaser for now...
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9th January 2014, 23:18
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#1952
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Foxhole makes my stomach go funky. Love it.
Have to admit i almost shit myself there on one of my first paxlaps. (in a 350bhp caged/stripped/semi'd/prepped Impreza)
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10th January 2014, 03:36
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#1953
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Originally Posted by Martijn_M
Foxhole makes my stomach go funky. Love it.
Have to admit i almost shit myself there on one of my first paxlaps. (in a 350bhp caged/stripped/semi'd/prepped Impreza)
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Agreed Martin, it flows so nicely, and then the compression at the bottom of the hill + the mentally quick left hander at the top of the hill before the right hander before Adenau Forst - EPIC!
Hopefully we will get the chance to take you out on a pax lap in the mango this summer  
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10th January 2014, 11:44
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#1954
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All the downhill sections scare me to be honest as you don't quite realise how fast you are going and then its the opposite on the uphill one's as you don't realise how fast you can go. Really want to get there again soon! Maybe next year with you guys would be good. Some pax laps would be a help as done around 10 in various cars over various days/conditions so never had a good flowing lap as of yet. Must be shite scary in a mentally fast little tin can too aye JP 
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10th January 2014, 11:52
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#1955
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Location: Basingstoke
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Car(s): Subaru Impreza Newage WRX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martijn_M
It's not only power... It's also weight/tyres/suspension.
It's logical a stock STI "loses" to a cammed/stripped VTS.
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A scooby also costs alot more in parts to repair / replace. My coilvers were £500 and that is a cheap set. Then there is the brakeing, a scooby is heavier so is going to take a bit more to stop. I would not think twice about throwing my old saxo around the roads, yet i dont keep up with corsa's on the back roads in my scooby....untill i get on the straights
Last edited by davidandrews5343; 10th January 2014 at 11:54.
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10th January 2014, 11:53
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#1956
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 3,954
Car(s): Stage 1 Mitsubishi Evo 6
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Lovely car JP it really is a credit to you.
In the debate....
A driver in a boosted car that knows what there doing, with less power, less weight than other evo's and runs a much quicker lap than bigger powered evo's.
Really does solely depend on the driver, if you kept switching the drivers between boosted and N/A it would be interesting to see the time differences etc.
This guy knows the ring, not massive power but it's in the right hands... the drivetrain has been upgraded by the sounds of it though...
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10th January 2014, 16:53
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#1957
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North West
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Warrington, Cheshire
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Car(s): PH2 Peugeot 106 "race" car - Currently in pieces
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Why has he got a squeaky toy under his clutch pedal??
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11th January 2014, 08:55
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#1958
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Saxperience Post Whore
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
All the downhill sections scare me to be honest as you don't quite realise how fast you are going and then its the opposite on the uphill one's as you don't realise how fast you can go. Really want to get there again soon! Maybe next year with you guys would be good. Some pax laps would be a help as done around 10 in various cars over various days/conditions so never had a good flowing lap as of yet. Must be shite scary in a mentally fast little tin can too aye JP |
Certainly is.... but the old tin can's do suprise an alarmingly high amount of so called better cars
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11th January 2014, 11:52
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#1959
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Should be interesting at the ring this year josh!
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11th January 2014, 12:56
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#1960
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Originally Posted by AndySAXO
Should be interesting at the ring this year josh! |
Need to get there first Andy lol
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