106 quicksilver > gti - Saxperience

maz900 · 6th December 2010, 23:06

hello,,,
Ive got a 106 quicksilver on a 2000 w reg i want a 106 gti engine in it. I need to kno what sort of stuff will i need to do a successful conversion at my bosses garage.
1. obviously the engine
2. can i use my quicksilver gearbox?
3. wiring?
4. driveshafts?
5. ecu

if anyone has done a conversion i would be grateful for any useful info cheers

cloke · 6th December 2010, 23:09

why dont you ask on 106oc, someone is bound to have done it on there

maz900 · 6th December 2010, 23:11

106 oc?? wots that pal

cloke · 6th December 2010, 23:16

106 owners club, its a forum like this one, but for 106s and not saxos

Paul^p · 6th December 2010, 23:16

cloke,
Do you realise the engine bay in a 106 is very similar to an engine bay in a saxo? Also most of 106oc don't even have basic english reading skills.

Maz, its been covered a million and one times on here about engine conversions. Get an engine from the same reg and its pretty much straight forward swap.
And yes you can use the quicksilver box, but i would recommend the 106gti one over it. As if i remember right, could be wrong but i doubt it as its impossible for me to ever be wrong, the 106 quicksilver has the same gearbox as the saxo furio which is quite long (similar to the vtr box), a gti box will be better for acceleration.

You'll definately need an unlocked 106gti ECU.

Depending on the year of the engine you may need wiring and sensors.

But like i said, have a search its been covered a billion times.

devilsadvocate · 6th December 2010, 23:16

http://www.106owners.co.uk/

106 alternative forum to this one

Paul^p · 6th December 2010, 23:18

You're more than welcome on saxperience, where you don't have to pay.

cloke · 6th December 2010, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

cloke,
Do you realise the engine bay in a 106 is very similar to an engine bay in a saxo? Also most of 106oc don't even have basic english reading skills.

Maz, its been covered a million and one times on here about engine conversions. Get an engine from the same reg and its pretty much straight forward swap.
And yes you can use the quicksilver box, but i would recommend the 106gti one over it. As if i remember right, could be wrong but i doubt it as its impossible for me to ever be wrong, the 106 quicksilver has the same gearbox as the saxo furio which is quite long (similar to the vtr box), a gti box will be better for acceleration.

You'll definately need an unlocked 106gti ECU.

Depending on the year of the engine you may need wiring and sensors.

But like i said, have a search its been covered a billion times.

yeah i know that, just thought id direct this fella to their site. but lol at the reading skills! and i always thought smaller engine gearboxes were better for acceleration as they have shorter gear ratios dont they? swear ive seen ppl use 1.1 boxes on vtr's

Paul^p · 6th December 2010, 23:24

Smaller engines doesn't necessarily mean shorter ratios.

The 1.1 is a shorter ratio box than the VTR box though.

maz900 · 6th December 2010, 23:25

cheers guys
du u buy the ecu unlocked or do u get it unlocked? where and what sort of price am i lookin at?

maz900 · 6th December 2010, 23:25

cheers guys
du u buy the ecu unlocked or do u get it unlocked? where and what sort of price am i lookin at?

cloke · 6th December 2010, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Smaller engines doesn't necessarily mean shorter ratios.

The 1.1 is a shorter ratio box than the VTR box though.

ahh right, shows what i know haha!

Paul^p · 6th December 2010, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by maz900

cheers guys
du u buy the ecu unlocked or do u get it unlocked? where and what sort of price am i lookin at?

There is a person on here called ryanmt that can unlock single plug ecu's for a small fee. However i think the 106 quicksilver is a 3plug ecu.
If you google bluehawk electronics they unlock any ecu for a fee.
If you buy an engine thats still in the car, you can unlock the ecu before you remove the engine for free.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloke

ahh right, shows what i know haha!

Dont know if you'll find this interesting but its worth a read if you want to learn a bit. Shows what each box does in each gear, their ratios, how tyres and rev limits effect performance etc.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615

Sophia_Bush · 6th December 2010, 23:33

do a bit of reading but in jist all you need is engine complete unlocked ecu and if you dont want to plumb in the fuel return is a single line fuel rail off a jp4 with j4 injectors

maz900 · 6th December 2010, 23:35

interesting stuff mate good to kno and thanks for the info oh and 106 oc is shat haha

Sophia_Bush · 6th December 2010, 23:42

A very rough run down this is based on if the car is single plug and I am assuming the conversion wants to be done as cheap as possible with least amount of swapped parts. You will need

J4 engine complete with inlet tb injectors etc
JP4 fuel rail (single inlet like the quiksilver)
Unlocked J4 ecu (see ryanmt as paul has mentioned)

obviously you will have all the usual service items on top which I would do anyway and if budget stretches do the cambelt whilst it is out peace of mind n all. Also see if the J4 engine comes with a clutch&flywheel as you will need a 200mm setup if it has nought can use the 180mm setup but won't last very long.

All it will be a case of is drop engine in use existing box if wanting to remove imob box before starting car plug ecu in pretty much job done, 16v ecu will work fine on existing quiksilver loom as ecu plugs are the same.