JP's 220+bhp NA 16v Mango Westcoast - 2015 updates! - Page 89 - Saxperience

jpsaxo · 20th April 2013, 06:57

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Originally Posted by BIG

Woo lucky you took it off in the firstlplace then.

What colour with the wheels jp?

Certainly is a good job dad took it off and wanted to have a look around it before its abused over the summer when im back haha

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Originally Posted by welshpug

its BE time...

certainly is mate... already sourced a quaife from a mate for a BE box, next is to find the correct box with decent sport ratios.... any recommendations??

nazmitocak · 20th April 2013, 07:48

What Kind of Fuel Pump ?

jsdvtr · 20th April 2013, 07:58

Going for the colin satchell BE mounts?? I think there something i will at getting in the future, engine sitting level.

Im not sure if all 1.6 8v have same ratios but similar to a vts MA box iirc, could be wrong though.

jpsaxo · 22nd April 2013, 08:14

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Originally Posted by nazmitocak

What Kind of Fuel Pump ?

It's a walboro intank pump mate

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Going for the colin satchell BE mounts?? I think there something i will at getting in the future, engine sitting level.

Im not sure if all 1.6 8v have same ratios but similar to a vts MA box iirc, could be wrong though.

Which models and cars have the BE box on a 1.6 8v? doesn't the CS be box mounts require more chassis modifications?

We had the wheels sand blasted to tidy them up...

Aly · 22nd April 2013, 09:11

I never knew you could get a BE box on a 1.6 that's news to me. I must say there is daylight difference between them to an MA, my 206 HDI had a lovely BE gearbox the gear select was perfect never felt notchy, felt very refined like a BMW.

jpsaxo · 22nd April 2013, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Aly

I never knew you could get a BE box on a 1.6 that's news to me. I must say there is daylight difference between them to an MA, my 206 HDI had a lovely BE gearbox the gear select was perfect never felt notchy, felt very refined like a BMW.

You haven't been looking very hard have you Aly? The boosted boys have been running BE boxes for the past few years on the TU engines... Lol

Good to hear your experiences... I've seen the internals and there is a huge difference compared to an MA box tbh

LEE_VTR1 · 22nd April 2013, 11:41

thats cause hes used to reading out of a hymnbook josh in his choir boy band

jpsaxo · 22nd April 2013, 13:15

Lol Lee!

Also got the spacers sand blasted

nazmitocak · 23rd April 2013, 18:08

Did you upgrade the oil pump, if yes How

jpsaxo · 24th April 2013, 14:40

It's not the standard j4 one... That's all I can say

Ross^p · 24th April 2013, 14:47

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Originally Posted by jpsaxo

Which models and cars have the BE box on a 1.6 8v? doesn't the CS be box mounts require more chassis modifications?

You want an 8v 1.6 from a petrol Picasso or Berlingo. No chassis mods required to fit. Bolt straight up/in (engine mounts are a little different).

tweeqd · 24th April 2013, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Ross

No chassis mods required to fit. Bolt straight up/in

a little mod needed if you 6 speed it

Ross^p · 25th April 2013, 06:14

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Originally Posted by tweeqd

a little mod needed if you 6 speed it

Nobody likes a show off Martin ...

And it's only a "little" mod anyway huh?

chimpy88 · 25th April 2013, 22:09

Really impressed with the build, makes me want spend more on mine lol

jpsaxo · 26th April 2013, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Ross

You want an 8v 1.6 from a petrol Picasso or Berlingo. No chassis mods required to fit. Bolt straight up/in (engine mounts are a little different).

Awesome Ross, any recommendations for driveshafts and wheel bearings etc that will need changing?

Roughly what speed would i be doing at 7,000rpm with that box?

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Originally Posted by tweeqd

a little mod needed if you 6 speed it

Would love to Martin, If i was in the UK id definitely consider it. But I really cant justify it with me being out of the country again now for 10months of the year

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Originally Posted by chimpy88

Really impressed with the build, makes me want spend more on mine lol

Cheers mate, your the one that has James old chassis right?

welshpug · 26th April 2013, 20:01

I would highly recommend having a chat with Colin about the BE box mounting kit and shafts.

Shafts need to be custom shortened BE type, though I do think there was mention of 206 shafts fitting with original hubs, as the engine is shifter 20mm towards the nearside to give equal shaft lengths and better weight distribution, access to timing belt, also inner CV to chassis clearance.

Bearings would be standard Saxo/106, drive flanges depend on my comment above, typically a turned down BE drive flange pressed into standard Saxo/106 hub and bearing.

Regarding the gearbox, there is no standard TU-BE4 box that'll have that great a set of ratios, the one that Ross mentioned isn't too bad, but there's plenty of stuff you can swap into the casing easily enough to make something up that'd suit.

Aly · 26th April 2013, 20:29

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Originally Posted by jpsaxo

You haven't been looking very hard have you Aly? The boosted boys have been running BE boxes for the past few years on the TU engines... Lol

Good to hear your experiences... I've seen the internals and there is a huge difference compared to an MA box tbh

That's not what i meant Josh. I meant I never knew Peugeot/Citroen fit BE boxes to 1.6 from the factory.
I thought they only come on the HDI's and the GTI's

jpsaxo · 27th April 2013, 07:46

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Originally Posted by welshpug

I would highly recommend having a chat with Colin about the BE box mounting kit and shafts.

Shafts need to be custom shortened BE type, though I do think there was mention of 206 shafts fitting with original hubs, as the engine is shifter 20mm towards the nearside to give equal shaft lengths and better weight distribution, access to timing belt, also inner CV to chassis clearance.

Bearings would be standard Saxo/106, drive flanges depend on my comment above, typically a turned down BE drive flange pressed into standard Saxo/106 hub and bearing.

Regarding the gearbox, there is no standard TU-BE4 box that'll have that great a set of ratios, the one that Ross mentioned isn't too bad, but there's plenty of stuff you can swap into the casing easily enough to make something up that'd suit.

Awesome, I will talk to Colin about his BE box mounting kits & ill probably get his to do the shafts / hubs etc for me too. Does his kit require chassis modifications? (the one I saw when I picked my engine up from Sandy had the gearbox mounted off the passengers side chassis leg)

Any recommendations on what can be used to make the gearing better for NA? are we talking off the shelf stuff or quaife kit once off jobbies?

Cheers for your help so far

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Got my wheels and spacers back to the painters.....

Got the last couple of engine bay brackets powdercoated too

e8_pqck · 27th April 2013, 09:15

70mph was about 3000rpm with the be box. I'm using one out of a Picasso. I'm unable to use the let brace now though.

Box, shafts, upper mount, speed sensor, intermediate bracket, 1.8 petrol drive shaft and Picasso drive shaft was bought for 159 delivered. Lower mount from Garry.m on rally Reg was 65, machined be hubs 50, washers for hubs, 20, torque link for lower mount was 20, 2 wheel bearings 40. Then got upper mount made and drive shaft adjusted by Martin.

MR_N · 27th April 2013, 11:03

Quick question, what spacers are you running? Thinking about getting some for mine but always had something against them.