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13th August 2013, 19:29
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#1881
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North West
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Warrington, Cheshire
Posts: 5,733
Car(s): PH2 Peugeot 106 "race" car - Currently in pieces
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Originally Posted by MR_N
Ring trip 2014?
Im in this time!
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YES!! Get in Sam!!
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13th August 2013, 19:59
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#1882
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 1,025
Car(s): Mk7 Zetec S
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
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Aye, time for something French (should of did it all along!) I didn't drive 220 miles to not drink too much, come on man!
Bring on Christmas then!
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14th August 2013, 12:06
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#1883
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 8,525
Car(s): Mango Westcoast
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Originally Posted by JoeHindle
Like I've said it was great to meet you and have a good chat with you throughout the day- the cars given me plenty of inspiration for what route I wanna go down, damnit it was worth a try mate!  |
Good good, so whats the plan for yours? 200bhp NA??!!  lol
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Originally Posted by MR_N
Ring trip 2014?
Im in this time!
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Good Sam 
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Originally Posted by Alanapone
YES!! Get in Sam!!
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Already sounding like next years trip is going to be epic!!
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Originally Posted by PJN
Aye, time for something French (should of did it all along!) I didn't drive 220 miles to not drink too much, come on man!
Bring on Christmas then!
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I told you to get a saxo/106 and track slag it from the beginning Bring on christmas indeedy, mega mash ftw!!
p.s.
This is the remains of my old gearbox lol. Fair to say its good for absolutely nothing
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14th August 2013, 12:57
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#1884
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: United Kingdom
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How much does this spank you in fuel on a long trip?
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14th August 2013, 13:26
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#1885
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Saxperience Post Whore
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Location: Sydney
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Car(s): Mango Westcoast
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40mpg at 75mph on the motorway.... yes a race engine that does 40mpg
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14th August 2013, 13:53
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#1886
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Established Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 1,025
Car(s): Mk7 Zetec S
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
I told you to get a saxo/106 and track slag it from the beginning Bring on christmas indeedy, mega mash ftw!!
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This is the remains of my old gearbox lol. Fair to say its good for absolutely nothing |
Aye, so did a few people, my own fault really!
Pretty mangled gearbox then haha, Fun old night that waiting for you's to get back!
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14th August 2013, 14:24
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#1887
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Preston
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Car(s): '05 Golf GT FSI
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
Good good, so whats the plan for yours? 200bhp NA??!! lol |
Hahaha! Well I've already got buckets and a stripped out car, but I think I'd need to wear nappies if I had 200bhp 
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15th August 2013, 00:24
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#1888
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
40mpg at 75mph on the motorway.... yes a race engine that does 40mpg |
Seriously? Fuck me its the biggest reason I didnt go for mad spec, thinking Id get 10mpg!
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15th August 2013, 08:46
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#1889
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Fareham
Posts: 3,029
Car(s): Saxo VTR
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Originally Posted by Alanapone
YES!! Get in Sam!!
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
Good Sam |
I was gutted when i had to turn down the passenger ride in Lea's car due to work.
Now mine is done hopefully i'll take it along if it's still together by then.
If not ill take a passenger position.
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15th August 2013, 08:58
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#1890
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Originally Posted by Gabbastard
Seriously? Fuck me its the biggest reason I didnt go for mad spec, thinking Id get 10mpg!
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thats providing you don,t skim on the ecu system and MAPPING time --which is where most people cut the corners.
thats why i like the DTA or predator its so easy to run w/b in real time --omex and others can,t do that
seems they are happy to spend on shiny bits but not onsomeones expertise to aset it up correctly
very short sighted.
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15th August 2013, 09:12
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#1891
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Originally Posted by Gabbastard
Seriously? Fuck me its the biggest reason I didnt go for mad spec, thinking Id get 10mpg!
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Yep serious mate, that's with a 1.4xsi box too, so in theory on a longer box it would be even better
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Originally Posted by axsaxoman
thats providing you don,t skim on the ecu system and MAPPING time --which is where most people cut the corners.
thats why i like the DTA or predator its so easy to run w/b in real time --omex and others can,t do that
seems they are happy to spend on shiny bits but not onsomeones expertise to aset it up correctly
very short sighted.
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Agreed John, setting up the engine up is as important if not more important than the spec IMO. This engine has had NO corners cut what so ever. Although your assumption about us using a wideband is incorrect
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15th August 2013, 09:20
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#1892
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: hetton/sunderland
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Car(s): 250 BHP jp4 vts
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With 40mpg could use it as a daily I was surprised how well mine did on ITB's.
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You got over 200bhp, of course you need a new clutch, it will slip like a b***h  |
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15th August 2013, 10:12
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#1893
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Stock Saxo with decat when I first mapped mine on the first Predator I wound the fuel down to 50mpg @ 65mph on closed loop wideband. Normal tyres at factory pressures
Couldn't have that as a one-off map and use on a trackday because 3000rpm 10% throttle represents apex position on a racetrack and last thing you want is a 16.5:1 AFR when you're on part throttle tickling a car round a corner on the limit!
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15th August 2013, 13:15
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#1894
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Originally Posted by axsaxoman
thats providing you don,t skim on the ecu system and MAPPING time --which is where most people cut the corners.
thats why i like the DTA or predator its so easy to run w/b in real time --omex and others can,t do that
seems they are happy to spend on shiny bits but not onsomeones expertise to aset it up correctly
very short sighted.
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Ah balls, ive bought an Omex 600 as well 
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15th August 2013, 14:55
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#1895
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Scotland
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I wasn,t even thinking particlarly about your build ,so ther was no assumption of you using w/b .
but if you did your light throttle fuelling would be better still + you would have even better ambient condition compensations ,especially on warm up .
you always have the option to limit at what the load and rpms w/b can actually adjust fuelling , EG up to say 50% load +100% tps up to say 4k and tail it off as you please but can still see what is actually happening across whole rpm + load range
I know some worry about probes going down under race conditions ,but that is usualy due to incorrect postioning of probe or too much of it poking into the exhaust--so just make it so it can,t adjust full throttle heavy load points
lets face it if turbo cars can run them ,from factory and don,t fall apart with the heat it should never be a problem on an n/a car
there is another popint ==you can check if the mapper has done a good job as well and help him to fine tune the map once you see the readings in the real world
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Last edited by axsaxoman; 15th August 2013 at 15:03.
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15th August 2013, 15:06
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#1896
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Location: Scotland
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[B][Couldn't have that as a one-off map and use on a trackday because 3000rpm 10% throttle represents apex position on a racetrack and last thing you want is a 16.5:1 AFR when you're on part throttle tickling a car round a corner on the limit! /B]
no but with a w/b +gauge you could see EXACTLY what is happening at all times ,and my guess would be that most are set overrich --just to be sure
you will certainly see a lean/rich hole in the map on acceleration or very light throttle which can be hard to spot on the dyno sometimes
8/10 cars i see which have been heavily modifed the oil stinks of fuel when you snifff the filler cap if driven about gently--which is showing fuelling are not correct at light + start up areas ,which in turn will shortne ring life drastically
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Last edited by axsaxoman; 15th August 2013 at 15:13.
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15th August 2013, 21:31
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#1897
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: South Wales
Posts: 3,076
Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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Not a big concern when you have SB mapping, he has spent a LOT of time mapping very similar engines, as well as quite a variety of jre's engines, that his builds use less fuel, run cleamer and last longer, and lap quicker
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9th September 2013, 10:57
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#1898
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FCS Video Part 1 (click on the video its not upside down)
FCS Part 2
EDIT: Whoooops just realised ive already posted these but screw it, they can stay up
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11th September 2013, 12:30
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#1899
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Your thread is massive.
Do you have any pictures of your washer bottle modification. I seem to remember it being in a different place/lookiny very tidy?
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11th September 2013, 13:23
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#1900
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You mean for the window screen? if so - its in the standard position Joey!
Thread is massive because its been a project car for 9 years now lol
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