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25th March 2014, 11:27
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has anyone got some indepth info/ reading material on the satchel suspension setup? is it a relatively new design or has it been proven through testing/ track work?
just generally interested really, as obviously somebody has put a great of time and effort into coming up with it
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25th March 2014, 11:59
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#2022
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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Its a fully tested setup with a lot of Colin's experience and design gone into it, properly tested by Satchell test pilot Cyber.
They wouldn't have released it for sale if it wasn't a finished product 
The Saxo Rallycar I service for is also down there at the moment having a wide version of the setup.
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25th March 2014, 12:53
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#2023
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Quote:
Originally Posted by welshpug
Its a fully tested setup with a lot of Colin's experience and design gone into it, properly tested by Satchell test pilot Cyber.
They wouldn't have released it for sale if it wasn't a finished product
The Saxo Rallycar I service for is also down there at the moment having a wide version of the setup. |
Hi, this is Dean(cyb3r)
As welshpug says a lot of design on strength has gone into this kit, its is all designed on CAD.
When we first fitted this to my car I have used it both on the road and hard on track hitting every possible curb on the track possible and as fast as needed. This kit is also on a few rally cars which have hit pits hard enough to wrote off wheels and the suspension hasn't been affected in anyway.
My car before having this kit I could do Llandow in about 54 secs. After with all the suspension and obviously have the corrections for the bump steer, camber etc.
We did Llandow testing(videos on YouTube) then we were lapping in 45.9seconds.
Anything more you need to know just post here and I will try and answer best as possible.
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25th March 2014, 13:30
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#2024
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this setup alone took nearly 9 seconds off your lap times?!?!?
do you have pictures of a completed front setup and further pictures of the rear? what spring rates are used or are these interchangable? have you modified the camber/ track width?
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25th March 2014, 14:45
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#2025
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Looks awesome. Ahh
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25th March 2014, 16:10
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+1, their is loads of info and pics on a few progress threads on rallye register. It is a relatively new setup for release but has obviously been around for a while during testing. The videos on YouTube are pretty awesome to watch as well.
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25th March 2014, 16:44
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#2027
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Location: Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk
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Car(s): Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo
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Im kind of lost on whats being done here? Basically a new suspension setup front and rear? At a cost of? Very expensive or JP expensive (if he wants he buys)
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25th March 2014, 17:51
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#2028
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Patras Greece
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Car(s): Ford Focus 2.5 ST
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i was sure you weren't going only for the front kit !!!
can we have more detailed photos of the scuttle cut???
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25th March 2014, 19:49
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#2029
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Josh, can you give me a pm when you get time mate, about the bloke who did your engine bay the last time around...
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25th March 2014, 20:47
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#2030
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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have a look at the satchell engineering page on FB.
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25th March 2014, 22:17
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#2031
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Worksop
Posts: 571
Car(s): 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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Its front and rears!
Suspension alone without welding ect.. is 3k
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26th March 2014, 03:07
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#2032
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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Inc engine mounts for be conv.
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26th March 2014, 09:46
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#2033
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Originally Posted by Alanapone
I see... Very neat work. Looking forward to seeing it all completed! |
Cheers Alan.... me too!! 
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Originally Posted by welshpug
That bulkhead mod looks interesting, has it an added rearwards bulge?
Always wondered if something like that could be done, kind of like an airbox but not quite.
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Yes it does... see pictures below...
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Originally Posted by deano_123
has anyone got some indepth info/ reading material on the satchel suspension setup? is it a relatively new design or has it been proven through testing/ track work?
just generally interested really, as obviously somebody has put a great of time and effort into coming up with it
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Hopefully Dean has answered that for you, feel free to PM me if you want any more info
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Originally Posted by welshpug
Its a fully tested setup with a lot of Colin's experience and design gone into it, properly tested by Satchell test pilot Cyber.
They wouldn't have released it for sale if it wasn't a finished product
The Saxo Rallycar I service for is also down there at the moment having a wide version of the setup. |
I watched them testing it from a live stream off Dave's phone all the way to Australia lol
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Originally Posted by deano_123
this setup alone took nearly 9 seconds off your lap times?!?!?
do you have pictures of a completed front setup and further pictures of the rear? what spring rates are used or are these interchangable? have you modified the camber/ track width?
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8 seconds yep, the way Dean's car came past me at castle combe was unbelievable... and i had approx 70bhp more, caught up on the straights, but i was no where near him in the corners - that sold me on how epic this kit is
Track width is optional, spring rates are entirely up to you - Colin can spec up depending on the purpose of application
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Looks awesome. Ahh
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Damn right Prickle, Colin & Dave have done a brilliant job! 
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Originally Posted by Alanapone
+1, their is loads of info and pics on a few progress threads on rallye register. It is a relatively new setup for release but has obviously been around for a while during testing. The videos on YouTube are pretty awesome to watch as well.
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Video's are cool arent they Alan 
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
Im kind of lost on whats being done here? Basically a new suspension setup front and rear? At a cost of? Very expensive or JP expensive (if he wants he buys)
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You get confused far too easy Joe. New front + rear suspension set up and lots, lots more. Look at the pictures....
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i was sure you weren't going only for the front kit !!!
can we have more detailed photos of the scuttle cut???
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Haha, as I said to Alan you should all know me better than to do half a job
See pic's of the scuttle above
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Josh, can you give me a pm when you get time mate, about the bloke who did your engine bay the last time around...
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PM'd you mate
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Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley
Its front and rears!
Suspension alone without welding ect.. is 3k
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yup yup, theres alot of work that goes into fitting this kit too
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26th March 2014, 10:14
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#2034
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Man this just get's better and better!
I remember reading your first engine build thread as you were going along and thinking that was epic, this however... Just awesome.
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26th March 2014, 13:36
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#2035
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That 8 seconds thing...surely that can't all be found just from this kit? I mean teams employ all sorts of crazy stuff and aero to shave off a second or two but 8? Really? Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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26th March 2014, 13:44
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#2036
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Car(s): Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
That 8 seconds thing...surely that can't all be found just from this kit? I mean teams employ all sorts of crazy stuff and aero to shave off a second or two but 8? Really? Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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I'm sure they don't need you to!
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26th March 2014, 13:49
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#2037
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Location: south essex!!
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Car(s): posi blue vtrs race car
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
That 8 seconds thing...surely that can't all be found just from this kit? I mean teams employ all sorts of crazy stuff and aero to shave off a second or two but 8? Really? Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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im sure its probably more like 8 seconds on a rally stage, on tarmac round brands 8 seconds would mean i could overtake a btcc car...  without a doubt it is a fanstsic peice of kit and i personally would be there legs in line with my ears to get one if my series would let me run it...
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26th March 2014, 14:10
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#2038
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Originally Posted by jpsaxo
My car before having this kit I could do Llandow in about 54 secs. After with all the suspension and obviously have the corrections for the bump steer, camber etc.
We did Llandow testing(videos on YouTube) then we were lapping in 45.9seconds.
Anything more you need to know just post here and I will try and answer best as possible.
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Originally Posted by greyjasper51
im sure its probably more like 8 seconds on a rally stage, on tarmac round brands 8 seconds would mean i could overtake a btcc car... without a doubt it is a fanstsic peice of kit and i personally would be there legs in line with my ears to get one if my series would let me run it...
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Nope, pretty sure that's a track.
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
That 8 seconds thing...surely that can't all be found just from this kit? I mean teams employ all sorts of crazy stuff and aero to shave off a second or two but 8? Really? Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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Teams spend crazy money shaving seconds off lap times on cars that are already purposely designed to race.
Turning a hot hatch into a race car is different, which is why massive improvements can be made.
I use the term race car loosely!
I remember first seeing pictures of this car under a tent made of ladders getting painted. It's come a long way since then but as others have said it was still epic back then!
Awesome car.
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26th March 2014, 15:01
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#2039
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
That 8 seconds thing...surely that can't all be found just from this kit? I mean teams employ all sorts of crazy stuff and aero to shave off a second or two but 8? Really? Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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You clearly need to study more
I would look into FWD tuning, Colin is not someone to BS to sell products, not in his interest to do that. Colin doesn't just make this stuff, he uses it on his own race cars.
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26th March 2014, 15:01
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#2040
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
Don't wana sound like a hater or doubter here for the sake of it but thats either BS or I haven't looked I to exactly what this kit does....
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From your previous form, I'm happy to say that it's the second one.
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