saxo180 ***200bhp CARBON'D B16b PROJECT*** SPANNER IN THE WORKS #254 - Page 4 - Saxperience

Luke · 7th December 2009, 20:21

Insane for getting another Saxo, but you know my feelings mate.

Very interested to see this.

Predator_R32^p · 7th December 2009, 20:29

Awesome craig

Sleeper ftw

Jackman · 7th December 2009, 20:33

Sweet!

Is the person you are copying Kiwi by any chance?

craig180^p · 7th December 2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Aron

Should be a good project mate. Shouldnt be too hard as allot of people have measured it all up on a saxo/106.

No need for expensive bodies on that engine. Just use a single TB can achieve in excess of 220 bhp.

I like the sound of tb's tbh and from what I've read the torque power band is a lot stronger with them rather than the single body.

Not really that bothered about peak power, what I want is something that will kick me in the back all the way to 9.5k rpm!

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Originally Posted by MikeYost

Can't wait to see this finished, if its any where near as high a standard as your old car it will be truely amazing! Carbon fibre roof looks the dogs bollocks

One question: How come on loads of the pics of your first sax is it missing the chevrons on the front?

~Mike

They were taken fresh out of the bodyshop and I'd just not got round to/decided whether to put orange chevs back in or do them black

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Originally Posted by rushy_23

I like the plans Craig

Id definatly say some small 4 pot's for the spec. What sort of suspension spec you looking at? Whats the job of the roof look like also?

Sorry for all the questions lol!

I'm taking the sellers word for it but it is meant to be absolutely flawless!

Want to leave the Spax suspension on for the time being but may invest in some solid rear struts for drag days, failing that then prob the same set up as my old one - Billie B8/GMC combination.

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Originally Posted by dannygti

if you need any hints/tips etc pm me as i did a LOT of looking into this a few months ago.. id fit a b18cr though

B18 long term but for now B16 so I can play with the little boys on drag days

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Originally Posted by Ocego_VTR

sounds interesting arent you bothering with an RX-8 now?

No mate, can't find a decent one for my budget so we're going to replace the missus' car instead and I'll keep my 2 saxos

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Originally Posted by Andy_K

Sure there was a set of 4 pots for sale very recently that would fit under 14" rims. Cant remember where - probably rallye register?

For the engine, would it not be possible to make a cradle/semi space frame to the engine to sit on, which would then be attched to the front bulkhead/chassis legs.

It looks as though a semi space frame would be used but welded straight to the bulkhead/chassis. It'll all be a bit "trial and error" to fit it but I'll do whatever isn't going to upset the balance too much

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Originally Posted by Ferg

You must be insane.

You knows it.....

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Originally Posted by Jaytee

Liking it craig looks like its going to be awesome. what costs are you going to be looking at?

No idea tbh! Hopefully no more than 6k all in

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Originally Posted by Luke

Insane for getting another Saxo, but you know my feelings mate.

Very interested to see this.

It'll kill an RX8 by the time it's finished.

And the wife's vRS

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Originally Posted by Jackman

Sweet!

Is the person you are copying Kiwi by any chance?

It is mate. He's made it look simple so I'll be sure to speak to him a fair bit over the course of the next year or so!

Mieran · 7th December 2009, 21:35

Paint is extra weight. A bodyshop will use a good few liters of it (inc. primer and clear coat) so if you're aiming for super light weight then leave the CF exposed.

KamRacing · 7th December 2009, 22:02

why worry about a spaceframe on the front. My custom engine mounts were simply welded on to the right points on the chassis. I had four made for my engine and gearbox and they were pretty straightforward. Then all you really need are custom drivehafts. It would be a lot cheaper and would not add extra weight or anything.
Its not totally easy to see but theres my top engine mount...

Kev

OLLYVTS · 7th December 2009, 22:18

Wow this will be a great thread to keep a eye on.The plans sound awsome and its not going to be like any other saxo i have seen.Good luck with it all!

ps.I see somebody cant move on from the saxo bug.

Olly · 7th December 2009, 22:23

£6k to build up to high spec from scratch including buying the shell? Yikes.

Good luck to you dude! Will keep looking in

KamRacing · 7th December 2009, 22:44

I spent £4k ish on getting a group A cage fitted, extra chassis welding, lightening, custom strengthening, engine mounts, custom front suspension plus custom rear turrets. You dont have to pay stupid money for custom work. My car had about 70 man hours spent on it.

kev

Olly · 7th December 2009, 23:06

agreed, but buying and adding all the components and all the hidden details/little amountsl add up which im guessing you know

. Depends what spec you go for i suppose!

Not saying it cant be done

KamRacing · 7th December 2009, 23:13

well if the chassis is left rather basic to start then I'd say £9k min with the throttlebodied engine and all the carbon panels + painting unless you can pull in favours..good luck though! Watch out for rolling costs if that is important.
Remember you probably want something like a plate diff as well to get the traction down, sticky tyres etc to get the traction.

adamhighfield · 7th December 2009, 23:51

im liking this craig

i will defo be keeping an eye on this and im glad my car will be being built to a high standard as when i had it !!

rushy_23 · 8th December 2009, 08:19

Sounds like the blueprints are set now then Craig. Wish you the best of luck with the project.

luke1988 · 8th December 2009, 08:26

i think it's safe to say that this will be the most watched thread..until pred gets a new car

some great pics of your previous car mate, interesting to see how it progressed through the years

joehow12 · 8th December 2009, 09:31

Would it not be cheaper to build something like a Supercharged Gti-6 or something along those lines? Would look way mote stealthy and be a darn sight quicker... potentially cheaper too.

Fairplay for sticking with what you love i guess.

Jorge- · 8th December 2009, 09:38

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Originally Posted by joehow12

Would it not be cheaper to build something like a Supercharged Gti-6 or something along those lines? Would look way mote stealthy and be a darn sight quicker... potentially cheaper too.

Fairplay for sticking with what you love i guess.

Then it would be 2000cc and boosted. And even then still cost 7-8k for high boost. But 450 ponies would be fun.

Why not look for steel wheels instead? Much lighter than VTRs, unsprung weight = bad weight.

joehow12 · 8th December 2009, 10:00

Yea it would be 2000cc and boosted...everyone has to grow up someday.

Jo3fish · 8th December 2009, 10:02

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Originally Posted by joehow12

Would it not be cheaper to build something like a Supercharged Gti-6 or something along those lines? Would look way mote stealthy and be a darn sight quicker... potentially cheaper too.

Fairplay for sticking with what you love i guess.

Because he wants to be in the A catagory on the strip, and you cant have anything over a 1600cc engine.

And most people would choose one of the b16 varients (in this case b16b) over the majority of the 1600cc engines around, simply because of their reliability and their performance (Vtec y0).

Joe

Jorge- · 8th December 2009, 10:24

I don't know much about the engine codes from ricer wagons, my friend is currently rebuilding his DC2 engine, UK spec, and that currently makes 198bhp on the dyno, hoping for around 210-220 in the new year with the cams.

Are they 1800 or 1600s?

SaxoAL · 8th December 2009, 10:58

Sounds an awesome project Craig. Look forward to watching all the progress mate.