Suspension setups

[raunchz]

Originally Posted by Harv

Going with Raunchz post, what would be your ideal setup.

I read somewhere that some people are using over 600lb springs with 26 or 27mm torsion bars. Might have been the stock hatch boys. That must be super stiff!

I would say 600lb and 26mm torsion bars is mental, as you'd need dampers to cope with that.

The hardest I'd personally go is around the 250-300lb mark BUT if I was to own a Saxo again I would want to drive it on the road so would end up with 21mm bars and maybe 170lb springs upfront.

[Harv]

Originally Posted by raunchz

I would say 600lb and 26mm torsion bars is mental, as you'd need dampers to cope with that.

The hardest I'd personally go is around the 250-300lb mark BUT if I was to own a Saxo again I would want to drive it on the road so would end up with 21mm bars and maybe 170lb springs upfront.

Totally agree there! Like Danny said, you may as well weld the struts to the chassis haha . I did definitely read it somewhere though and I'm positive it was a saxo in the stock hatch or saxmax series. I'm sure they were running AST Competition dampers too (different to the sportline kit) as they are remote res. The Proflex stuff is a common too but is used more in rallying that for track stuff. That is if you want to spend between £3-6k on a suspension setup though .

Then again though, these type of cars are purely track. The only real 'bumps' are the curbs on the side of the track so it probably isn't too bad.

[Mochachino]

Originally Posted by Harv

Totally agree there! Like Danny said, you may as well weld the struts to the chassis haha . I did definitely read it somewhere though and I'm positive it was a saxo in the stock hatch or saxmax series. I'm sure they were running AST Competition dampers too (different to the sportline kit) as they are remote res. The Proflex stuff is a common too but is used more in rallying that for track stuff. That is if you want to spend between £3-6k on a suspension setup though .

Then again though, these type of cars are purely track. The only real 'bumps' are the curbs on the side of the track so it probably isn't too bad.

Ahhhh I think you mean MadMattRacing? Check the IM Axles section theres a link and a spec in the custom Axle thread

Shenpar welded the rear beam with no suspension on one of their track cars...so I heard..

[Harv]

Originally Posted by db_sax

Ahhhh I think you mean MadMattRacing? Check the IM Axles section theres a link and a spec in the custom Axle thread

Shenpar welded the rear beam with no suspension on one of their track cars...so I heard..

Just had a look, I don't think it was that one, was a red car iirc. Still nuts having 25 or 26mm torsion bars though LOL!

Welded the beam with no suspension? Christ! I've heard about using solid mounts but not welding the beam solid haha, can't see that would have worked if I'm honest lol.

[adamskiTNR]

Solid suspension is the most imbaccilic idea i have ever heard. The reason the suspension movement is there is to keep the tyres in contact with the road surface for optimum traction. Removing this movement will casue even the slightest undulation to lift weight off the other side tyre, losing grip, and shifting weight onto the other one, overloading it and losing grip. Really. why?

[raunchz]

Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

Solid suspension is the most imbaccilic idea i have ever heard. The reason the suspension movement is there is to keep the tyres in contact with the road surface for optimum traction. Removing this movement will casue even the slightest undulation to lift weight off the other side tyre, losing grip, and shifting weight onto the other one, overloading it and losing grip. Really. why?

........ because stiffer is better

[adamskiTNR]

Well I've been trumped lol.

[Reechard]

I know of a bora that is raced in the saloon car champs that runs no rear springs. Similar idea to the welded beam I guess. Certainly was flat at Combe where other cars were bouncing about.

[AndySAXOp]

Yer it is too a certain point, look at all motorsport, f1 they still have some movement in the suspension or like matey said above it would lose traction.

[adamskiTNR]

You should try taking a solid suspension setup round magny-cors. That would destroy it

[blackie_2k5]

tbh ive got the psx kit on mine and it really is good on my car, its the hardest ride ive ever been in aswell! dont know why mine feels so good, car is lowered around 60mm too, still handles very very well, leeroy got in and said it was the crashiest saxo he'd ever been in lol, holds really well with minimal body roll, horrible coming of curbs as it sea saws being only on two wheels. did rebuild the struts with new strut top bearings and new psx, new wheel bearings and new wishbones/ drop links, so i think for the money i paid you cant get a better kit. if it was +20mm and had upper and lower braces id say itd be awesome(my set up not saying its true to all),obviousley there is much better about..... so it really depends wat you need out of you suspension to what you spend/choose

[jonathon5]

Spax psx & poly bushes for me

[Steve]

Originally Posted by raunchz

My ideal road kit would be:
- Bilstein Group N shocks
- 160-170lb faulkners/GMC '40mm' springs
- 21mm Torsion Bars
- 24mm Rear Arb
- Quaife ATB
- Powerflex bushes all-round
- 'Group N' engine mounts (All)
- Some good road tyres

Awesome set up.

I used to run a similar set up.
But with:

200lb d.faulkner springs (240mm free length iirc)
Standard differential

Starting to get on the "too stiff" for the road side, but on a track it was fantastic. Wish I had a Quaife at the time to see what it would have been like.
Spax / apex are very good, but not even in the same league as the bilstein stuff imo, i noticed the difference straight away when i put mine on.

[Mochachino]

Pugsport GrpN Tarmac Dampers
7" 325lb Main Spring
2" 40lb Helper
CompBrake Solid TopMounts
-1degree Camber
GrpN Engine Mounts
GrpA Solid Lower Mount
PolyRace Wishbone Bushes
No front ARB

Something a lil different with the rear end - need to test.

Before this, I bought the car with hand sawn down springs cabled tied to the spring pans.. 80mm down.

[Wayne]

My Set Up at the moment for Suspension is:

Bilstein Group N Shocks
Faulkner 155lb 35mm Springs
PowerFlexed Bushed Allround
Pugsport Group N Engine and Gearbox Mounts
OMP Lower Brace

Also have a 10 point Weld In OMP FIA Spec cage that goes to top struts and bolts to the rear beam if that counts, but can't comment on how car handles with cage as i ain't drove the car yet.

Handles pretty well, will give the car a few track days see how i get on, will change to coilovers if i feel need to later on.

[AndySAXOp]

Just to add my set up for next year.

Fully serivce sportline 1 AST front adjustable dampers

Rear stock hatch dampers fully adjustable service also

300 lb springs to match the Ast dampers from Ast
AST top mounts
22mm t bars
24mm rear arb
No front arb
Fully Polyrace bushes

Soild vibra tech engine mount
With s1 gearbox with ATB diff

[mark1311]

my set up will be somthing alone the lines of...

-grpN engine mounts
-grN gearbox mounts (all 3)
-polyrace wishbone bushes
-powerflex arb bushes
-polyrace rear beam bush
-rebuilt rear axle
-21mm torsion bars
-24mm arb
-grN billies
-gmc springs
-new top mounts

any advice on my set up? anything i have forgotten ect?

[Mochachino]

Originally Posted by mark1311

my set up will be somthing alone the lines of...

-grpN engine mounts
-grN gearbox mounts (all 3)
-polyrace wishbone bushes
-powerflex arb bushes
-polyrace rear beam bush
-rebuilt rear axle
-21mm torsion bars
-24mm arb
-grN billies
-gmc springs
-new top mounts

any advice on my set up? anything i have forgotten ect?

Not much you can do to that really, its a proven setup - just things for your preference like tyre pressures and the height of the rear in relation to the front and weight distribution if you feel the need. Tyres?

[VTR_Craig]

-35mm apex kit (springs,shocks,dampers)

upper and lower braces

Works fine for me on track, hardly any roll, bit crashy on roads

Next mods are powerflex bushes all round

[raunchz]

Originally Posted by mark1311

my set up will be somthing alone the lines of...

-grpN engine mounts
-grN gearbox mounts (all 3)
-polyrace wishbone bushes
-powerflex arb bushes
-polyrace rear beam bush
-rebuilt rear axle
-21mm torsion bars
-24mm arb
-grN billies
-gmc springs
-new top mounts

any advice on my set up? anything i have forgotten ect?

Should be an awesome road/track setup!!

Youve only got 3 engine mounts, of which 2 are gearbox mounts (upper and lower), and the other being the upper hydraulic engine mount.