Advice on turbo setups :) - Page 2 - Saxperience

Jamesb0303 · 13th June 2011, 13:37

i know thats what i thought thats why i was asking if you really need all of that haha

Ross^p · 13th June 2011, 13:40

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Turbo conversion stage 1 (250bhp) parts list

*DP engineering tubular manifold-
GT25R turbo -
DP 2.5" stainless downpipe - *

DP TURBO KIT - £1582

Remember this kit comes with the water cooling connection kit you're being quoted for elsewhere too...
http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/prod..._16v_compo.php

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mocal oil cooler kit with remote filter take off £250

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOCAL-REMOTE-O...9#ht_500wt_922 - remote filter location kit, £90. Plus the 13 row cooler - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mocal-Oil-Cool...#ht_1434wt_905 - thats £60. Contact Kam Racing etc for a unique setup. Saving £100.

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custom 2.5" exhaust system £300

Very good price that

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491cc injectors £342

How much?? Ouch. Remember thats plus vat so £400. Try these: http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_255.html - £250 all in delivered - saving £150.

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bosch 4bar FPR £58

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Audi-Seat-1...#ht_500wt_1156
Saving £18

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walbro 255 fuel pump £80

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WALBRO-GSS342-...#ht_2213wt_905
Saving £11

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budget radiator, header tank and intercooler kit £350

Ouch. 106 diesel Rad (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-106-CI...#ht_1399wt_905) - £40. GMC Header tank (http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/super.../prod_500.html) - £70. GT3 intercooler (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNIVERSAL-INTE...d#ht_772wt_905) - £75. Total £185. Saving £165.

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silicone hoses, £200

Using Samco maybe. Use ASH and you can probably halve that. Saving £100

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vacuum hoses, £40

More like £20, but okay...

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boost pipes (straight lengths ali tube) £20

Fair price that

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air filter, £60

And that.

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coolant hoses, £30

only coolant hose you need is to turbo - about £10 max. Saving £20

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boost controller, £175

Omex does this onboard - no need for an external boost controller if you're on a budget. Saving £175.

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cooling fan, £80

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-RADIATOR-CO...item1c1b146241
£30, saving £50

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uprated engine mounts, £150

Baker BM ones are much nicer than the vibra technics ones imo - and cheaper too. I've lost the leaflet I got from them at the FCS, but seem to remember it was about £90 for the set. Saving £60.

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sub total: £5777

vat: £1010.98

TOTAL: £6787.98

All the above ebay parts etc are including vat already. 20% adds up...

Above already saves you £969, and that's without really shopping around.

It may sound silly when you isolate all the parts (like saving £11 here, or £15 there) but when you buy 15 components and save £10 on each one, that's £150 towards something else. And that's the attitude I went into my first build with. Save where you can, spend where you want

PS - just to add - it depends what you're trying to do. When I built mine last year, obviously I was trying to do everything on as low cost as I could, but still build a decent setup. We managed it with parts like the above. We did the work ourselves, so saved a lot of money there too, sourcing parts as cheaply as possibly everywhere we could. There IS something to be said for just handing the car to someone to get you all the parts (or do the build for you!) if thats' your thing. I wanted to save money so sourced and researched every part I possibly could.

Dont forget your mapping sessions either - £400-500 max.

Jamesb0303 · 13th June 2011, 13:46

Cheers mate thats a real help! is that list all i would need to get the setup running? as that makes it alot cheaper

dannygti · 13th June 2011, 13:53

you still need to buy a solenoid to use the omex built in boost controll feature.

there are other kits available that will comfotably forfill your power needs.

Ross^p · 13th June 2011, 13:58

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Cheers mate thats a real help! is that list all i would need to get the setup running? as that makes it alot cheaper

There's always more parts you forget. For example the boss you need to weld into the alloy top boost pipe for the dump valve take off. Things like that - or the host clamps - we spent easily £100 on hose clamps alone.

Danny is right also - you need a solenoid to use the omex boost controller. Still a lot cheaper than the Gizzmo.

As Danny also said, there's other setups you could do if you're on a real budget - it's all about what you want, Vs what you can afford! Plenty of people have done a full build for £2000 ish - it's all about what you can do without and what you can make yourself

Jamesb0303 · 13th June 2011, 14:03

Cheers way need someone with your knowhow around my way to help out haha how good is the mf2 ecu you were talking about! I ideally want it to be a decent spec but not costing to much just so i can get it going but obviously i would probably add it it in the future

dannygti · 13th June 2011, 14:09

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Cheers way need someone with your knowhow around my way to help out haha how good is the mf2 ecu you were talking about! I ideally want it to be a decent spec but not costing to much just so i can get it going but obviously i would probably add it it in the future

i personally wouldnt use an mf2. for the price the predator ecu's are id get one of those instead.

look at the cituning kits. they are more affordable. not as good quality as the dp stuff but a cheaper way to having a turbocharged running rather than talking about it.

Ross^p · 13th June 2011, 14:13

Again, listen to Danny

The predator is a good ECU mappable (iirc for free by Andy still included in the purchase price?) by almost everywhere as it's megasquirt based. Only works on single plug looms though, but I'm presuming thats what you've got.

There's plenty of people now who have gone boost from various directions - full on homebrew budget builds to balls out mega-power cars. The best bit is here on saxp there's a lot of people willing to give you help where they can.

Tufty · 13th June 2011, 14:57

If you are going to get DP get it through Atspeed, they have the best prices for the gear on the market to my knowledge. Make sure you do shop around for those parts, ebay, spoox, everywhere mate! Trust me money can be saved.

I know the person who had a warped manifold, and i have seen it aswell! its out by 1.3mm some say it will be fine etc, but this person has gone and got his smoothed out! Something a customer should not be doing with a finished product.

wolf_gsxr · 13th June 2011, 17:19

Or you could take your car and 2800 quid to mr pred guy luthor, come back the next day and you have a low boost saxo. Magic.

coleman258 · 13th June 2011, 17:29

So much useful info in this thread, was a good read and has helped me alot.

dunno · 13th June 2011, 17:32

have a look on the predator affiliates thread, the guy does in and out conversions on a low boost set up for 2800, which he says will take you to about 170bhp and you might need an exhaust system as it only includes the down pipe.

blackie_2k5 · 13th June 2011, 19:14

theres alot of ppl willing to help, lots of reading research forst though

, my set up is "budget build" but not bodged, its been done safley, also VERY cheaply

the predator 3 plug is nearly completed, but for all those who cant wait (like myself) im running a single plug pred in my 3 plug vtr

Ross^p · 13th June 2011, 19:45

With the greatest of respect to Andy whom I get on with well, you'll be waiting a LONG time for the 3 plug ecu from him. He told me it was "almost complete" back in janurary ... 2010. Here we are 18 months later and it's still no further on. I even offered him a couple of thousand pounds just to be part of the development as I wanted involvement - eventually I went omex because I just couldn't wait forever on a promise.

VinceVTS · 13th June 2011, 20:26

omg this is a very eye opening thread, lets keep this information going cus i have been thinking loads about turboing lol

Jamesb0303 · 13th June 2011, 22:27

thanks for all the help guys! Cant wait to get this started so much support around

the pred guy sounds good but im looking for 200+bhp and would like to do some things myself

still undecided on setup

stevo1600 · 13th June 2011, 22:44

if your thinking of turboing, give it all dont half do it. as tiny mistakes here and their put you under stress near the completion of the build.

this thread is full of info how to do it, the site is.

i practically built my own low boost saxo with nothing other than reading and asking a few questions on here. and im fairly shit with a spanner....

Sophia_Bush · 13th June 2011, 23:43

going to add this to the turbo guide thread based on the help Ross has given above, good example that if you shop round you can do it on a budget and that goes on all scales just depends how pretty you want certain things

maddison_vts · 13th June 2011, 23:59

170bhp on low boost really doesn't sound worth the effort to me

i put my turbo on still using standard internals and saw 230bhp at 9.5psi. only thin i had was a 1.9mm hg to lower the compression slightly. i ran the car on more boost too and still had no issues with it and it did make for a genuinely quick car.
just a bit of extra info to add there, you don't need to go all forged to get a decent power gain.

dannygti · 14th June 2011, 00:03

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170bhp on low boost really doesn't sound worth the effort to me

i put my turbo on still using standard internals and saw 230bhp at 9.5psi. only thin i had was a 1.9mm hg to lower the compression slightly. i ran the car on more boost too and still had no issues with it and it did make for a genuinely quick car.
just a bit of extra info to add there, you don't need to go all forged to get a decent power gain.

totally agree thre..cant understand how you can get as little as 170hp on a turbo 16v?? what psi? 3-4lol..

maddison's car is running proof things can work without spending shit loads.

also to add, im going to expect around 280hp'ish when mine is mapped very soon.. and thats with standard internals.