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After seeing these awhile ago on a 205 I have always thought they where a good idea!

Then the other day after seeing Lewismo with one and having a search I found out Mr Satchell was doing a kit!

Have spoken with Colin via email and he was happy for me to post this up for anyones information!

The is a kit available for the MA and BE gearbox!

MA Type kit is £280 + £15 P+P

BE Type kit is £300 + £15 P+P

He said he was more than happy to deal with people directly so if you want one drop him a email: colinsatchell@btconnect.com

Fitting Guide!

[Mochachino]

Mark has one too already fitted on here. Got his a few weeks ago. Very good value for money, if you replace all the standard gearing with a cheaper quickshift and standard replacment linkages and control rods etc from citroen I bet it would come to near the same price for this kit.

[mark1311]

yep i love my, had myn about 3weeks now, was 1st person on here with it i think ....

Originally Posted by mark1311

o yer for got pictures haha.,..

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steering colum.

[Colin]

Got mine sat in my room ready to fit! Epic bit of kit and Engineering!

[Alexp]

What's the advantage of this?
Apart from looking cooler

[benkelsall]

This is what Lewis said about it..

Originally Posted by Lewisimo

Yes that's about spot on buddy. It's basically a totally redesigned set of gear linkages/gear stick, for race applications mainly. Does away with all the gash standard parts, removes the sloppy feel from the gear stick, and makes changing a whole lot more precise. Basically the same job as a TAS quickshift but 100 times better and more developed to achieve better performance overall. The build of it is ace, all the parts are top notch, and it's not that expensive considering it's much better than anything that pug sport ever came up with....they are designed and made by Colin Satchell, he's Sandy Brown's 'sidekick' so to speak. Top lads

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The kit also moves the stick back a little and the gearknob higher up!

[axsaxoman]

I am not knocking the kit,not in any way --looks very good ,but those you who are not the smoothest of drivers could find the the synchro,s will not last long ,with no rubber or I say again i am not knocking the conversion ,but experience has shown me that over enthusistic lightning gear shifts with no cushioning in the linkage ends up with broken synchro rings --buy it ,but just remember that you cannot expect any syncho box to like being used lke a sequential one with very short shifts andno electronics to cut the power on gear engagement ,so just remember to lift the throttle on gear changing and be smooth .
the rubber cushions on std linkage allow the synchro to bounce to find its correct engagment ,solid links means it will smash it home even if its not lining up correctly ,causing excessive wear .
the ma gets an unfair bad reputation --its the bad drivers that cause most of the damage not the design of the g/box.
ideal system for a dog box though -as you have to feel the engagment anyway to get smooothest changes --just be careful if fitting to a std synchro box

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

I am not knocking the kit,not in any way --looks very good ,but those you who are not the smoothest of drivers could find the the synchro,s will not last long ,with no rubber or I say again i am not knocking the conversion ,but experience has shown me that over enthusistic lightning gear shifts with no cushioning in the linkage ends up with broken synchro rings --buy it ,but just remember that you cannot expect any syncho box to like being used lke a sequential one with very short shifts andno electronics to cut the power on gear engagement ,so just remember to lift the throttle on gear changing and be smooth .
the rubber cushions on std linkage allow the synchro to bounce to find its correct engagment ,solid links means it will smash it home even if its not lining up correctly ,causing excessive wear .
the ma gets an unfair bad reputation --its the bad drivers that cause most of the damage not the design of the g/box.
ideal system for a dog box though -as you have to feel the engagment anyway to get smooothest changes --just be careful if fitting to a std synchro box

Understand totally where you are coming from on this!

Seen a fair few people wreck boxes trying to do lightening quick changes and jamming it in on standard linkages, these must magnify the issue just like rose jointed or solid linkages! Maybe a little bit worse as there is probably a bit more leverage, but im sure if your not heavy handed with your changes you should be ok!

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Mark not criticising just thought id point it out, on a picture of the kit fitted by Colin the support in the bay goes over the mount not under?!? not sure which is right thought id point it out though!

[KamRacing]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

I am not knocking the kit,not in any way --looks very good ,but those you who are not the smoothest of drivers could find the the synchro,s will not last long ,with no rubber or I say again i am not knocking the conversion ,but experience has shown me that over enthusistic lightning gear shifts with no cushioning in the linkage ends up with broken synchro rings --buy it ,but just remember that you cannot expect any syncho box to like being used lke a sequential one with very short shifts andno electronics to cut the power on gear engagement ,so just remember to lift the throttle on gear changing and be smooth .
the rubber cushions on std linkage allow the synchro to bounce to find its correct engagment ,solid links means it will smash it home even if its not lining up correctly ,causing excessive wear .
the ma gets an unfair bad reputation --its the bad drivers that cause most of the damage not the design of the g/box.
ideal system for a dog box though -as you have to feel the engagment anyway to get smooothest changes --just be careful if fitting to a std synchro box

Originally Posted by qrty

Understand totally where you are coming from on this!

Seen a fair few people wreck boxes trying to do lightening quick changes and jamming it in on standard linkages, these must magnify the issue just like rose jointed or solid linkages! Maybe a little bit worse as there is probably a bit more leverage, but im sure if your not heavy handed with your changes you should be ok!

Colin does not offer this as a road setup. Trackday and race. Though nothing is stopping anyone fitting this to a road car. Common sense should always be taken with all quickshifts when combined with Synchro boxes. Never rush a standard gearbox.

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

Colin does not offer this as a road setup. Trackday and race. Though nothing is stopping anyone fitting this to a road car. Common sense should always be taken with all quickshifts when combined with Synchro boxes. Never rush a standard gearbox.

Yer understand that fully, this is why I put it in the trackday section not the transmission section really thought it belonged here!

Not trying to be the next person wanting this to label my car a "Track Car". Although that is its sole purpose, for me I can see this kit being useful as it will improve my driving position (Can move the seat back, lanky legs aha) and also there will be less distance between wheel and stick!

Never wanted to put this thread up as "The Next Mod" or "Track Style Race Shifterzzzz" lol, just some information for the right audience!

[Jackman]

Colin Satchel is a genius !

Soooo want one for the 205!

[Colin]

Ive bought mine merely because I found the standard rubber ball setup to be unreliable i.e it fell off. If that happened in a rally again during a stage i wouldnt be happy lol.

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by qrty

Yer understand that fully, this is why I put it in the trackday section not the transmission section really thought it belonged here!

Not trying to be the next person wanting this to label my car a "Track Car". Although that is its sole purpose, for me I can see this kit being useful as it will improve my driving position (Can move the seat back, lanky legs aha) and also there will be less distance between wheel and stick!

Never wanted to put this thread up as "The Next Mod" or "Track Style Race Shifterzzzz" lol, just some information for the right audience!

and my comments were just to make that clear to the people who wander in here and think its a bit of bling,or something just to be different .
as for std linkages being unrelaible ,my experince is the opposite ,,when building a track car I would just fit a new set of std ones ,about £20-£30 and a normal type alloy housing unit never had a problem-.the only real advantage i can see is that it gets the lever end closer to the steering wheel so quicker to get to it with your hand from the wheel ..
looks alot of work to fit ,but looks well made. i have to say i can see a good purpose for it if someone was to splash out on a squential box though and don,t want to pay silly money for a custom set-up .
If it had been available at the time i fitted my hewland i probably would have used that to start with and not gone to all the expense of air paddle shift + gear tronics ecu etc, at least to start with.
it would be easy to convert to a straight line change lever assembly.

[KamRacing]

Originally Posted by Jackman

Colin Satchel is a genius !

Soooo want one for the 205!

He says he is tempted to re-look at his 205 kit to make it similar. Time will tell!

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

and my comments were just to make that clear to the people who wander in here and think its a bit of bling,or something just to be different .
as for std linkages being unrelaible ,my experince is the opposite ,,when building a track car I would just fit a new set of std ones ,about £20-£30 and a normal type alloy housing unit never had a problem-.the only real advantage i can see is that it gets the lever end closer to the steering wheel so quicker to get to it with your hand from the wheel ..
looks alot of work to fit ,but looks well made. i have to say i can see a good purpose for it if someone was to splash out on a squential box though and don,t want to pay silly money for a custom set-up .
If it had been available at the time i fitted my hewland i probably would have used that to start with and not gone to all the expense of air paddle shift + gear tronics ecu etc, at least to start with.
it would be easy to convert to a straight line change lever assembly.

For the sequential you would barely need more than two metal pipes and some rose joints so you would only need a couple of bits My setup is not much more than that. Your kit sounds like fun though! I take it the ecu controls the timing of the changes for each gear? I just have a switch on a spring loaded lever so as I pull back the engine is cut, but when I let go it springs back into its off position. I think I can then use the engine ECU to stay cut as long as the switch is activated though i've not got that far with the build..

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

and my comments were just to make that clear to the people who wander in here and think its a bit of bling,or something just to be different .
as for std linkages being unrelaible ,my experince is the opposite ,,when building a track car I would just fit a new set of std ones ,about £20-£30 and a normal type alloy housing unit never had a problem-.the only real advantage i can see is that it gets the lever end closer to the steering wheel so quicker to get to it with your hand from the wheel ..
looks alot of work to fit ,but looks well made. i have to say i can see a good purpose for it if someone was to splash out on a squential box though and don,t want to pay silly money for a custom set-up .
If it had been available at the time i fitted my hewland i probably would have used that to start with and not gone to all the expense of air paddle shift + gear tronics ecu etc, at least to start with.
it would be easy to convert to a straight line change lever assembly.

I totally agree with you on the bling idea, I was trying to say thats not why I want one! Its hard to get the tone of something written on the internet right, dont think it came across as it was intended!

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

He says he is tempted to re-look at his 205 kit to make it similar. Time will tell!



For the sequential you would barely need more than two metal pipes and some rose joints so you would only need a couple of bits My setup is not much more than that. Your kit sounds like fun though! I take it the ecu controls the timing of the changes for each gear? I just have a switch on a spring loaded lever so as I pull back the engine is cut, but when I let go it springs back into its off position. I think I can then use the engine ECU to stay cut as long as the switch is activated though i've not got that far with the build..

yes a basic switch on ecu can cut ,but the geartonics has micro swithc that then hands it over to the ecu and allows you to decide how long in mi;;i secs the engine cut is active for .
If you have sticky tyres and big power then you will wind up the drivshafts so depending how heavy the wheels +drive shaft line is and how flexible thighs are will decide how long it takes for the transmission to unwind ,so having this adjsutableyou to get the perfect shfit with minmal power cut --sI,vesimplfies it a bit ,then eith ecu control you can block g.changes that are outside the correctrpm range ,which si set by knowing ratios + rpm limts both upper = lower --lots of clever bits to set -up and the result is an F1 gear change and no chance of over speeding engine on downshfit either --it jsut won,t let you do it unless you press the clutch ==and then there is the fully auot mode where you can set it to change up and down on its own relative to engine + road speed --its the best you can buy ,adn will keep your expensive g/box in one piece for a long time ,even if you get the red mist ,it won,t let you do silly things.
I canot pull the paddle shift quicker than it can can change gear ,thats how quick it is and you have to love the auto throttle blipping on down changes,even if its just for the posing factor ,
approach a roundabout at full tilt ,bnag on the brkes and hear it changing down perfectly on its own and the same as you exit up the way ,

[Jackman]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

He says he is tempted to re-look at his 205 kit to make it similar. Time will tell!

I can't remember weather he said he may not be able to do mine because of the TU set out and exhaust manifold! I may be wrong though!

[adamskiTNR]

I was looking at that powershift stand at autosport. tbh i think it is a bit overrated. i mean it's clever, don't get me wrong, but the function that if you change down 2 gears but the rpm is too high so it wont let you, then when you brake and the rpm drop low enough it will change down those 2 gears. I think, well i know, this irritate a lot of drivers. as the system is changing when IT wants rather than when YOU want.