Jacks Cossack Grey S2 Turbo

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by martyno

If I had the above parts I would do the following:

Wheels/tyres - If tyres fit, put the R888s on the superleggeras as the brake cooling will be far better compared with the C5 steelies.

Brakes - Personally I would go for the GTI-6 ones as Brembos are known to squeal which will do your swede in very soon. Even with standard disks and pads, the GTI-6 set up will do it justice. So a decent brake pad coupled with some R888s and your on the right track.

Suspension- I have personally had bad experiences with Gaz GHA dampers. If you have the Gaz coil over set up etc, you could run that but use the B8 dampers?

sounds about right to me, i was thinking C5's cos they are lighter... but now you mention the brake cooling.. we shall see

Originally Posted by AlexB

i dont get the obsession with b8s on this forum
not in direct at you but in general
there are better dampers in the billie range
i wouldnt even consider b8s in a coilover they arent designed for the sort of lbs they run
and yes you can fit lower lb springs but too low (into b8 rates) and you go coilbound

i got my b8's free with the car, never considered them myself really just assumed they were good and they were free...so yeah.. lol


do explain a good setup then? im pretty clueless when it comes to....everything..


could someone explain the whole idea of helper springs and things like that? never really read into it... someone explain ill go google see if i can learn something.

Originally Posted by tweeqd

Alex you should know b8's and a lower brace means you will own everything on track




Use the brembos with the right discs and they dont sqeal

I cooked my gti6 brakes with 2 laps of donnington at fcs last year and that was with only 260 bhp and a light weight ax

uhm dosnt sound promising. and brembo's are only like £180. my mate has a brand new refurbished set at that, may snap them up soon. good pads and discs set you back another £300 though lol

assuming rears as standard is fine as they do feck all anyway?

[AlexBp]

They are good for a standard spring rate damper they are goof dor say 155lb faulkners but i wouldnt want to run much over that

I could sit here all day on about suspension and the principles but really heres what if do if i was starting out fresh on a new car (be prepaired for a big wallet dent)

Pugsport front inserts
Rally design collars and threads
Black cap billie rears
280lb 7" main spring
4" 40lb helper
22mm torsion bars

Atbs you can oick and choose to fine tune the car to you aswell as setting heights but the fron should allow about a 40mm max which is more than enough

But the most overlooked thing is bushes
In track these are an amazing difference

Black powerflex front wishbone front arb and rear beam mounts and vibratecnics rear mounts

Then id go ast topmounts

That will be more than ample for a fast road/track car

Too many guys are obsessed with the straight line bit
All the fun of these cars is the handeling

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by AlexB

They are good for a standard spring rate damper they are goof dor say 155lb faulkners but i wouldnt want to run much over that

I could sit here all day on about suspension and the principles but really heres what if do if i was starting out fresh on a new car (be prepaired for a big wallet dent)

Pugsport front inserts
Rally design collars and threads
Black cap billie rears
280lb 7" main spring
4" 40lb helper
22mm torsion bars

Atbs you can oick and choose to fine tune the car to you aswell as setting heights but the fron should allow about a 40mm max which is more than enough

But the most overlooked thing is bushes
In track these are an amazing difference

Black powerflex front wishbone front arb and rear beam mounts and vibratecnics rear mounts

Then id go ast topmounts

That will be more than ample for a fast road/track car

Too many guys are obsessed with the straight line bit
All the fun of these cars is the handeling

Right now I just want the car running so expensive but effective parts can be bought when its done & fitted after.

Really just need it rolling so we can get the engine built up and fitted

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[AlexBp]

Thats fair im not saying go spend thousands
But why spend several k on going fast down the straight for it to all turn to shit when you get to a twisty bit

Far too many people are obsessed by power
Im speaking from experience too i did it
Then went down 90hp and up in chassis spec it was a LOT more fun

[jsdvtr]

I agree with alex, im on my 3rd suspension setup now started with apex then went to gaz golds and theyre awesome even though i was running standard vts engine it was very fun woth the s1 quaife box.

[martyno]

Originally Posted by AlexB

i dont get the obsession with b8s on this forum
not in direct at you but in general
there are better dampers in the billie range
i wouldnt even consider b8s in a coilover they arent designed for the sort of lbs they run
and yes you can fit lower lb springs but too low (into b8 rates) and you go coilbound

No obsession with B8s mate, just know the gaz are poor so would rather run anything than that. And since the man has had them for free, I thought it was worth a try.

So what are the B8s rated to then? As I am struggling to find technical info for them.

[martyno]

Originally Posted by tweeqd

Alex you should know b8's and a lower brace means you will own everything on track




Use the brembos with the right discs and they dont sqeal

I cooked my gti6 brakes with 2 laps of donnington at fcs last year and that was with only 260 bhp and a light weight ax

Very interesting. What spec were the gti6 brakes?
Have you used the set up on other tracks? Surely FCS is very busy so you would use brakes more often?

[AlexBp]

Originally Posted by martyno

No obsession with B8s mate, just know the gaz are poor so would rather run anything than that. And since the man has had them for free, I thought it was worth a try.

So what are the B8s rated to then? As I am struggling to find technical info for them.

they run out of puff in the region of 160-170 lb from what i know they are generally a road use just better build quality damper than the likes of spax ect
nothing fantastic like a lot on here seem to have in there head i ran them on apex springs and it was about right damping tbh

the group n billies are a much higher rating at 250ish and still lower than a few other inserts out there like pugsports ect

as i say im not perfect i ran 185+hp on apex springs and group n billies and it was poor tbh as it overdamped and struggled in corners the gripper diff kinda made things worse loading up the sus i thought it was awesome till i tried something proper as i didnt really know different now tbh if i was starting again id do a lot of work on handeling before power mods came

[tweeqd]

Originally Posted by martyno

Very interesting. What spec were the gti6 brakes?
Have you used the set up on other tracks? Surely FCS is very busy so you would use brakes more often?

Brembo discs and cant remember the make of pads but they wernt cheap
To be honest ive run them on the road for years and never had an issue but braking late from over 120mph just cooked them
For NA there good but not good enough for a bossted engine

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Thats fair im not saying go spend thousands
But why spend several k on going fast down the straight for it to all turn to shit when you get to a twisty bit

Far too many people are obsessed by power
Im speaking from experience too i did it
Then went down 90hp and up in chassis spec it was a LOT more fun

makes sense

Originally Posted by AlexB

they run out of puff in the region of 160-170 lb from what i know they are generally a road use just better build quality damper than the likes of spax ect
nothing fantastic like a lot on here seem to have in there head i ran them on apex springs and it was about right damping tbh

the group n billies are a much higher rating at 250ish and still lower than a few other inserts out there like pugsports ect

as i say im not perfect i ran 185+hp on apex springs and group n billies and it was poor tbh as it overdamped and struggled in corners the gripper diff kinda made things worse loading up the sus i thought it was awesome till i tried something proper as i didnt really know different now tbh if i was starting again id do a lot of work on handeling before power mods came

what is a pair of 2nd hand B8's worth then?




we have a problem, i've just become unemployed lmfao....

time to find another job i suppose, finish work end of this month so having a clear out to raise some funds, keeping as much turbo related stuff as possible

[AlexBp]

Depends on condition ecy
Whac them in the whats it worth section

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Depends on condition ecy
Whac them in the whats it worth section

They look fairly good tbh.

Am I right thinking kam sell them £90 a side?




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[AlexBp]

I dunno lol check their site lol

[Jack-Cooley]

Righty 3 months on and im unemployed but currently looking for some work in a garage of some sort.

Over the past few months i've been chopping and changing cars as i couldnt find anything interesting enough.

first off i had a 306dturbo, it was too slow:



Then i sold that because i was bored as hell and it was slow and i couldnt really mod it much since the boost and fuel was already turned up, fmic ect..

bought a cherry red 1.1



did this



And then a little bit of this



Gave the 'box a quick coat, nothing fancy



Fetched an engine that had some of these




Then this happened




also didnt like the wheels, plus the tread was bare.

So swapped the OZ's for a set of C5 steels(Alloys) with some brand new T1r's on two, and brand new tyres on the other two, but i've forgotten the name, for the life of me i cannot remember the brand and/or model.

So, wheels on, got myself some new bumpers.

reason for that was

1. the red ones were painted by a monkey, so they were flaking everywhere and missing grills/fogs
2. it looks more like a sleeper like this, surprises a lot of old men in audi's







Right with that over with some turbo-talk.


I have my engine, built up and ready to go.

Tu5J4.
Forged Pistons & Rods
Injectors (Around 500cc, not 100% sure)
Boost Pipes
Intercooler setup/Radiator Setup.
KMS Ecu
Downpipe
Exhaust system

I have probably forgotten something off the list.

I also have a fully refurbished rear beam coming from IM Axles in a few weeks.

Ricky is starting to paint up the new S2 shell sometime next week also.

All i really need now is a manifold, some oil fuel and brake lines, hi-spec/brembo's and a few other bits and bobs and shes ready to go on the road!

so a few more thousand to spend and then i've got to find an insurance company who will insure me.



Any boosted guys/gals out there, do you think it would make sense to get a daily derv, something VW or a 306HDI ect.. then run that weekly and just have a "weekend policy" for the 106?

Thoughts/info is, as always, appreciated.

Also, the KMS ecu. how do we all rate these? originally as you all know i was going to go for the original OEM ecu, but the KMS was offered cheap with the engine and intercooler and stuff so i took that also (Plus it has a map on for this engine when it was originally setup before taken off the road after doing zero miles)

[jage]

insure2drive quoted me very well for a boosted 106. £1200! Bargain in my eyes!

I second all the talk about suspension though my rallye has the bodies/cams on hold til iv got the suspension 100% and dialled!

[LSOfreak]

that makes an awesome sleeper

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by jage

insure2drive quoted me very well for a boosted 106. £1200! Bargain in my eyes!

I second all the talk about suspension though my rallye has the bodies/cams on hold til iv got the suspension 100% and dialled!

Checking now jage

Originally Posted by LSOfreak

that makes an awesome sleeper

you talking about the cherry?

i quite like it too

[Jack-Cooley]

Originally Posted by jage

insure2drive quoted me very well for a boosted 106. £1200! Bargain in my eyes!

I second all the talk about suspension though my rallye has the bodies/cams on hold til iv got the suspension 100% and dialled!

Total Premium:

£9906.22


That was my quote haha


What exactly did you put in the "info" boxes?

[jones91]

Sorry to hear you lost your job mate

Adrian flux insured me on a 190bhp vts @ 21 for £1400, can imagine this costing a bit more lol but worth a try

[jage]

fuck me! Just the same as my other quote with a turbo strapped on. My premium is just under £500 now at 20 on mine with everything declared. Add a turbo and it goes up £700 :O Cams and bodies it doesn't go up much.

Iv got 0ncb, live in low crime area, private driveway, cars pakred on drive not garage, has no alarm/immob, social domestic and pleasure, 2 named drivers (mum and dad) thinkt hats about it!