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6th August 2011, 16:43
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Cammed VTS 122BHP?!?!? Power Lossssss!!! BIG UPDATE
Ok so it was 153.2 BHP.... was put on some reliable rollers and said 122BHP.
I know its desperate for a service but could that really make the difference?
Going to check to make sure its got cams tomorrow just incase lol im 100% sure it has but just incase... also got a bill from Chipwizards for the remap and it goes to just about 8000RPM.
Can anyone tell me where i start in sorting this out?
Or what it could be?
Wierd because i pulled quite a few car lengths infront of my mates 182 clio the other night?!?!
Any help would be great cheers 
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Last edited by CitroenSport; 19th August 2011 at 07:52.
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6th August 2011, 16:46
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you sure thats not a atw figure? pretty low even for a normal none cammed breathed 16v
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6th August 2011, 17:03
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atf mate atw its 99.3bhp 
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6th August 2011, 17:06
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Does it still fell the same to drive? Pull the same?
And wouldn't want it revving to 8k on standard followers.
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6th August 2011, 17:08
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Ouch. That figure ATW is a kick in the bollocks!
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6th August 2011, 17:13
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doesnt pull any different and like i say its can comfortably pull past my mates 182
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6th August 2011, 17:13
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Did they Recond a ATF ratio reading during the runs?
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6th August 2011, 17:18
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not sure how/where would i find that lol
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6th August 2011, 17:23
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that a pretty pure figure my standard s with 421 manifold ran 126.6bhp on a reliable rollers, other standard S's where running 116-120.. i gave mine a massive service, even head gasket and all that was changed, mine runs spot on a pulls very hard for a breathed VTS.
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6th August 2011, 17:27
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so in comparison does yours pull past clios etc?
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6th August 2011, 17:28
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im sure you have seen top gear without the service it was running i thing 157 or something like that n they did a complete service and got it back upto 215bhp
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6th August 2011, 17:29
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what was that mate?
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6th August 2011, 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhysupply
im sure you have seen top gear without the service it was running i thing 157 or something like that n they did a complete service and got it back upto 215bhp
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Pretty sure they added bigger injectors, air filter modifications and inlet modifications along side the good service.
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6th August 2011, 17:35
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smashes my friends fiesta st and doesn't get rapid by a friends vxr corsa, however next dyno i want 230plus
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6th August 2011, 17:54
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as said franky, get it serviced first, oils and filters, then we'll move form there, poor servicing really can make a massive difference
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6th August 2011, 18:04
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lets hope its that then  will report back tomorrow.... going on the lash now 
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6th August 2011, 18:35
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most companys who dyno cars, take a ATF ratio to see how it fueling.
on full throttle for you should be around the 12.5 to 13.0 mark.
this could help you find a problem, did you not say to the dyno duy that down on power? as on the dyno would of been the best place to find a problem if you have one.
as ill be surprise if it was just a serivce, it would help but i dont think it get the 150 mark, unless air filter blocked, or fuel filter also?
but like you said it still drive the same, a 122 to 150 bhp car would notice if it was different.
also where does it peak at? and got a graph to but up be nice to see it.
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6th August 2011, 18:43
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looking at the graph blackie got, you do get ATF on there, so get the graph up dude
see where that is make sure it fueling correctly for a start.
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6th August 2011, 18:49
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the graph wasnt too bad, fuelling wasnt the best ive seen..but there's nothing untoward about it, jamie would have also mentioned any fuelling issues to him, he always does, 2 cars had fueling iisues he picked up on today(one got the sesion stopped), noticed DET on another due to cheap fuel, and told me mine was a tiny bit rich up top (i knew it would be as ive changed induction and it was road mapped) theyre also very accurate rollers, the airfilter set up etc has been changed since it was mapped also...
get a service done then move from there, also get the covers off and make sure it is defo cammed first... as it may just be a bit under the weather and not even cammed at all
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6th August 2011, 18:51
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Originally Posted by AndySAXO
looking at the graph blackie got, you do get ATF on there, so get the graph up dude
see where that is make sure it fueling correctly for a start. |
the shootout on screen was fly figures/AFR, but he gives wheel/afr & fly/torque too... you norm get 2 graphs i got 3 today lol
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