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15th August 2011, 14:11
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Sump baffle...
As i'm rolling on 888's and for piece of mind i've been thinking about getting a sump baffle,
Just trying to round up the pro & cons and looking for recommendations.
Hiflowheads:
Pro - Just a swap, Cheapest.
Con - Not sure on design, ?
Constella:
Pro - Similar to the pug sport, has trapdoors.
Con - Uses a sandwhich design to fit, Bit more tricky to seal and reseal if pan is off again.
Peugeot:
Pro - Has trapdoors, race proven?
Con - Changing crank bolts? Skill level needed and price.
Any input to aid the decision would be good
Also if anyone has pictures of the hiflowheads one.
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15th August 2011, 14:59
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Money and skill no object the pug sport one is the best. Bur the constella is the best compromise. Its cheaper and it does the job. Unless you were doing serious rallying Id use the constella. No idea on the hi flow one
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15th August 2011, 15:33
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can I ask....what is a baffled sump? I know what the sump is....
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15th August 2011, 16:55
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i use the pugsport one, personally i'd just pay to take it to someone else to fit so the bolts are done right. as people always say a baffled sump is cheap insurance vs. the alternative if something went wrong!
jay - baffled sump effectively splits your sump into smaller compartments so that when cornering hard the oil doesn't all wash up one end of the sump and possibly starve your oil pump = no oil feed to the rest of the engine
a bit like this but the design changes
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15th August 2011, 17:01
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I'd go for Constella if given the choice
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15th August 2011, 17:14
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Im looking at a constella one for mine
Nice fitting guide on the rr and no messing with crank bolts so thats the one for me i think
didnt know high flow made one tbh the pugsport is a good bit of kit but id personally not wanna disturb the crank bolts if i can avoid it
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15th August 2011, 17:58
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i run pusport one, bought new so seals was perfect. not hard to fit. i had engine on the transmission stand, fliped it 180 and got on with it. killed a bottom end at cadwell whilst doing 1:50 laps (chris curve very long right hander 100mph), now doing 144's lol
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15th August 2011, 18:01
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Question... why do you need to mess about the crank bolts to fit a baffled sump!?
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15th August 2011, 18:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adsayer
Question... why do you need to mess about the crank bolts to fit a baffled sump!?
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Only on the Peugeot sport ones as they attach to the bottom of the engine using the crank bolts.
Constella's baffle attaches by sandwiching itself in-between the engine and sump and uses the sump bolts to keep it in place
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15th August 2011, 18:12
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ahhhh. sounds a ballache...
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15th August 2011, 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raunchz
Only on the Peugeot sport ones as they attach to the bottom of the engine using the crank bolts.
Constella's baffle attaches by sandwiching itself in-between the engine and sump and uses the sump bolts to keep it in place
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correct
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ahhhh. sounds a ballache...
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slightly but the better fitting once fitted of the 3 on the market
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15th August 2011, 20:20
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Ive got a baffled sump i bought off andyk and its just got welded sheeting of metal with rubber flaps.
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15th August 2011, 20:35
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I'm also wanting a constella item, worth calling and saying we want say 5 for a bit of discount if we can get a few more interested?
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15th August 2011, 20:35
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I use a hi flow heads one very simple desgin and dose the job it there for.
It welded in place with gaps around the metal sheet to allow flow around it.
Works for me, and was done in a few days sent back with the sump cleaned and painted black.
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15th August 2011, 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndySAXO
I use a hi flow heads one very simple desgin and dose the job it there for.
It welded in place with gaps around the metal sheet to allow flow around it.
Works for me, and was done in a few days sent back with the sump cleaned and painted black.
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How much was that if you don't mind me asking?
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15th August 2011, 20:54
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80 quid I think... That was posted back.
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15th August 2011, 21:20
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Have you got a pic when it was sent back?
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15th August 2011, 21:28
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No I forgot to take any I just wanting to the engine biult at the time.
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15th August 2011, 21:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jsdvtr
Ive got a baffled sump i bought off andyk and its just got welded sheeting of metal with rubber flaps.
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very basic but will have some form of effect
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15th August 2011, 21:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias
I'm also wanting a constella item, worth calling and saying we want say 5 for a bit of discount if we can get a few more interested?
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They were doing them for £130ish recently - worth a phone call and still seeing if they can do them at that sort of price.
At that price is a bargain in my eyes - but pretty simple to make yourself but not worth the hassle for the sake of saving £100 and messing around with measurements yourself.
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