JP's 220+bhp NA 16v Mango Westcoast - 2015 updates! - Page 47 - Saxperience

hard_corejoeboy · 26th January 2012, 08:46

Fair enough.

Twingo was a mark 2 the rs version

AlexB^p · 26th January 2012, 08:57

My god you didnt argue back!

Has someone hacked your account?? Where is the real joeboy??

LEE_VTR1 · 26th January 2012, 08:58

for anyone doubting jp's driving iv been out with him for a lap on the ring where we caught up with a ring taxi and followed it right up its arse for more than half a lap till it let us past just before mini carousel. we even went that hard we was sideways behind it cause josh pushes that hard.

with this new engine josh is Gunna be quicker than most the 911 regulars there by a long shot!

driver experience clearly shines through here

xsi16v · 26th January 2012, 09:16

Once you drive a track car to its limit, every second quicker is going to cost a fortune FACT!!!.

The difference is some people can justify spending the money and some people cant. Josh has had a good few years on his current engine, developed his driving skills and now feels its time for a change. How he wants to do that is upto him.

(hard_corejoeboy) Everyone is entiltled to there opinion but if this is not interest to you i dont see the point in posting/following the thread

wrighty89 · 26th January 2012, 09:21

I dont understand why this guy keeps going on saying 'what's the point in having more power if someone with a lower spec can drive faster....'
Does it ever cross your mind that even someone who has no experience of track driving would like a fast powerful car because thats what makes it exciting for them?

I'm no professional but spent years karting when I was younger and did quite well in the local scene when I lived abroad in Belgium.
I have never got round to track driving in the UK but still like to think I can drive 'well'. But whether I am any good or not I would be very bored with a slow, underpowered car. More than half of the excitement for me is driving a quick car with all the noise etc.
Look at Wayne, he's probably not up there with the likes of Josh in terms of driving ability but he's building a high spec car because he will enjoy it.

So anyway, can't wait to see more progress Josh

hard_corejoeboy · 26th January 2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by AlexB

My god you didnt argue back!

Has someone hacked your account?? Where is the real joeboy??

Alex the problem is you all misunderstand what im saying that or i type a load of krap lol

never said jp didnt have wheel skills for the record like i say good luck and 911 hunting is good

AlexB^p · 26th January 2012, 12:03

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

He hasn't reached them limit on his engine when a heavier less powered twingo can still lap 15 seconds faster with less laps under his belt too

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

I just say why spend so much when someone lije sexy-gt with a lower spec will still piss all over you..

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Alex the problem is you all misunderstand what im saying that or i type a load of krap lol

never said jp didnt have wheel skills for the record like i say good luck and 911 hunting is good

Oh ok you didnt say he cant drive??

rushy_23 · 26th January 2012, 12:10

I think its pretty awesome, cant wait to see what sort of figures this engine makes.

if the mans ballin' let him ball

Gandi699 · 26th January 2012, 12:39

Cant see how any one could fault the guy wanting more power, its development and if hes reached the current limit of what is in the car already then the next logical step is more modifications. People could all go out and buy an Evo out of the box but where is the fun in that? Its working on your car that gives people the thrill and making it quicker, plus the fact that what started life as a 1.4 litre shopping car can keep up with machinery costing 20 times as much

hard_corejoeboy · 26th January 2012, 13:12

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Originally Posted by AlexB

Oh ok you didnt say he cant drive??

U love a fight dont you mr?

Still doesnt say he cant drive its like comparing senna to damon hill lol but dqmon hill is still awesome

s555dan · 26th January 2012, 13:55

I have seen Sandys race engines in action at Castle Combe, to have one in your own car would be very very special. Lucky you

Sandy309 · 26th January 2012, 14:50

Thank you

The delivery is every bit as important as the figures, what happens at 4-7k rpm is more important to real performance than peak power. The difference in lap times at Combe for my race engines versus mildly tuned race 106/Saxos (ie cams and remap etc), is around 6-7 seconds/minute. Also interesting to note that my guys regularly took Pole positions, against circa 500bhp turbo Leons, Tomcats, even the odd Evo on occasion. A well set up and driven NA Saxo/106 with a good engine can be very hard to beat with any real world road car.
But more than anything, I like my engines to feel exciting from the moment the key's turned, if you don't have to be flat out to enjoy it, that's alot of extra value.

AlexB^p · 26th January 2012, 14:54

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

U love a fight dont you mr?

Still doesnt say he cant drive its like comparing senna to damon hill lol but dqmon hill is still awesome

No i just dont think knocking a guys ability when you have never met them or seen tbem drive is a bit cuntish when you cba to read the thread you have shown with posts like "not been 170hp for long" youve no idea on josh or his car and yet you argued still

Im defending a friend your acting out across the internet with petty arguements in every thread
You tell me who loves a fight?

Gandi699 · 26th January 2012, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Sandy309

Thank you

The delivery is every bit as important as the figures, what happens at 4-7k rpm is more important to real performance than peak power. The difference in lap times at Combe for my race engines versus mildly tuned race 106/Saxos (ie cams and remap etc), is around 6-7 seconds/minute. Also interesting to note that my guys regularly took Pole positions, against circa 500bhp turbo Leons, Tomcats, even the odd Evo on occasion. A well set up and driven NA Saxo/106 with a good engine can be very hard to beat with any real world road car.
But more than anything, I like my engines to feel exciting from the moment the key's turned, if you don't have to be flat out to enjoy it, that's alot of extra value.

What goes into your race engines if you dont mind me asking? Thats quite a time difference in lap times!

xsi16v · 26th January 2012, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

What goes into your race engines if you dont mind me asking? Thats quite a time difference in lap times!

Go back a few pages...

Getting back to the spec of Josh's engine, outline shopping list is as follows (SB=Sandy Brown, CS=Colin Satchell):

TU5JP4 block and crank
SB+CS steel flywheel, 7.25" race clutch
SB custom steel h-section rods
SB custom design pistons
Peugeot Sport sump baffles
SB ported and prepared head
SB custom single piece stainless valves
Piper double springs and retainers
SB custom solid followers
SB custom cam profiles
Alloy vernier pulleys
Steel belt rollers
SB+CS race spec GSXR TBs inlet design
Twin injectors
SB custom exhaust manifold (Stainless) and system
DTA S40 ECU and SB loom
Built, dyno run in and mapped by SB.

Gandi699 · 26th January 2012, 15:07

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Originally Posted by xsi16v

Go back a few pages...

Getting back to the spec of Josh's engine, outline shopping list is as follows (SB=Sandy Brown, CS=Colin Satchell):

TU5JP4 block and crank
SB+CS steel flywheel, 7.25" race clutch
SB custom steel h-section rods
SB custom design pistons
Peugeot Sport sump baffles
SB ported and prepared head
SB custom single piece stainless valves
Piper double springs and retainers
SB custom solid followers
SB custom cam profiles
Alloy vernier pulleys
Steel belt rollers
SB+CS race spec GSXR TBs inlet design
Twin injectors
SB custom exhaust manifold (Stainless) and system
DTA S40 ECU and SB loom
Built, dyno run in and mapped by SB.

Thanks, I'm on a phone so scrolling back a million pages wasnt going to be fun

adamskiTNR · 26th January 2012, 15:08

Custom cam profiles. thew sign of a true covert engine builder

Ryan^p · 26th January 2012, 15:11

Argh hardcoreblowjob causing more arguments again...

Josh known about this for a while, if the current engine is 170 and you are going from '200 per tonne to around it, you claim you will be going to 280 where's the weight removal coming from, as even sandys race engines I believed were only circa 225. (using only as a loose term here lol)

wrighty89 · 26th January 2012, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Sandy309

Thank you

The delivery is every bit as important as the figures, what happens at 4-7k rpm is more important to real performance than peak power. The difference in lap times at Combe for my race engines versus mildly tuned race 106/Saxos (ie cams and remap etc), is around 6-7 seconds/minute. Also interesting to note that my guys regularly took Pole positions, against circa 500bhp turbo Leons, Tomcats, even the odd Evo on occasion. A well set up and driven NA Saxo/106 with a good engine can be very hard to beat with any real world road car.
But more than anything, I like my engines to feel exciting from the moment the key's turned, if you don't have to be flat out to enjoy it, that's alot of extra value.

Love that quote. Every post I see from you is making me more keen for you to build me an engine and discard turbo conversion.

In terms of road driving is it worth going from PH4/734/7's to solid grind cams?

jpsaxo · 26th January 2012, 16:08

Ryan - car currently weights 821kg's with half a tank of fuel. 170 / 0.821 =207bhp per ton

Carbon bonnet (10kg's) + other savings will bring it down to 800kgs or less. 225 / 0.800 = 281bhp per ton