Turbo or Throttle Bodies, Pro's and Con's? Opinions.. - Saxperience

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 18:12

Hi guys,

Thought I'd put a thread up as in the future I'm interested in getting a turbo or bodies on a 16v.

What are the pro's and con's of both? how much am I looking at for both set ups? how much power could be achieved? Which one is best for a daily driver? Any comments from people with bodies or turbo's would be much appreciated!

Thanks guys!

AXracing · 29th January 2011, 18:18

When I drive cars fast I like normally aspirated engine. They are more responsive and in my opinion more enjoyable. However a turbo opens up the potential to get a lot of power out of a small engine. The turbo also give you a lot of extra go for the cash.

ashw106rallye · 29th January 2011, 18:26

N/A bodies ftw

JonCarter · 29th January 2011, 18:28

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Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Hi guys,

Thought I'd put a thread up as in the future I'm interested in getting a turbo or bodies on a 16v.

What are the pro's and con's of both? how much am I looking at for both set ups? how much power could be achieved? Which one is best for a daily driver? Any comments from people with bodies or turbo's would be much appreciated!

Thanks guys!

As was said turbo opens big areas for tuning etc but throttle bodies have power there and then unlike a turbo which has to spool up also with a turbo they have too spool up and obviously the higher boost and bigger the turbo the longer it will take to spool. iirc it is something like 8k to do a ITB conversion thats with the throttle bodies, manifold and work. turbo can start up from £1.2k and running low boost to £3k from cituning then you can run high/stupid amounts of boost

*awaits corrections*

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 18:29

Thanks for the replies so far guys

How much am I looking at for each set up? I think N/A (Bodies) would be better for a daily driver?

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 18:30

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Originally Posted by JonCarter

As was said turbo opens big areas for tuning etc but throttle bodies have power there and then unlike a turbo which has to spool up also with a turbo they have too spool up and obviously the higher boost and bigger the turbo the longer it will take to spool. iirc it is something like 8k to do a ITB conversion thats with the throttle bodies, manifold and work. turbo can start up from £1.2k and running low boost to £3k from cituning then you can run high/stupid amounts of boost

*awaits corrections*

Thanks for that mate. ITB conversions are 8k? I swear I've seen conversions for a lot less money than that?

JonCarter · 29th January 2011, 18:33

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Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Thanks for that mate. ITB conversions are 8k? I swear I've seen conversions for a lot less money than that?

like i said mate i might be wrong on prices i might be getting confused with the supercharging route

SAM-S44MDS- · 29th January 2011, 18:33

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...14#post5073414

Good price on there for the bodies & cams mate

ashw106rallye · 29th January 2011, 18:33

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Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Thanks for that mate. ITB conversions are 8k? I swear I've seen conversions for a lot less money than that?

jenvey bodies setup £1000
ecu £500
loom for ecu £350
forged pistons £500
cams £350-£600
mapping £duno
it all addes up duno bout 8k tho probs for a mental setup

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by SAM-S44MDS-

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...14#post5073414

Good price on there for the bodies & cams mate

Thanks mate but looking to do it in the future. I have only just got myself a rebuilt VTS engine to do a conversion so still have a bit of work to do before I think about getting a ITB set-up

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Originally Posted by ashw106rallye

jenvey bodies setup £1000
ecu £500
loom for ecu £350
forged pistons £500
cams £350-£600
mapping £duno
it all addes up duno bout 8k tho probs for a mental setup

That sounds more like it! I know I could get bodies, ecu and that cheaper on here, I don't plan to buy brand new bodies and stuff so I think with around 1.5k - 2k I could do a pretty decent ITB conversion?

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by JonCarter

like i said mate i might be wrong on prices i might be getting confused with the supercharging route

Yeah I think so mate

8k is a lot of money for ITB's.

ashw106rallye · 29th January 2011, 19:50

2-3k is good for a nice bodie setup

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 19:52

Sounds good mate

ashw106rallye · 29th January 2011, 19:53

you doin this to dans old white vtr?

dannygti · 29th January 2011, 20:00

people go on about lag but really its nothing to complain about, especially against a highly strung N/A engine. take a 210bhp super 1600 engine for example, it wont make hardly any power till after 4-5 or even 6k.. then you get most of your power until say 9k..
with a 210bhp turbo engine you could spec a turbo to spool up by 2k and have most of the power (i.e 170bhp+) right from 3k all the way to 7k.. and have 2x the torque.

my car was throttle boddied, now im in the process of turboing it so ill get back to you with a in depth review once its done.

Mochachino · 29th January 2011, 20:03

You can just get boddies and put them on a standard engine if you want. Perfectly fine. 100% obviously with a remap and ECU.

ashw106rallye · 29th January 2011, 20:05

turbos are gay tho n/a al the way

CarlosVT · 29th January 2011, 20:07

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Originally Posted by ashw106rallye

you doin this to dans old white vtr?

Yeah mate, also planning to go Euro-ish on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

people go on about lag but really its nothing to complain about, especially against a highly strung N/A engine. take a 210bhp super 1600 engine for example, it wont make hardly any power till after 4-5 or even 6k.. then you get most of your power until say 9k..
with a 210bhp turbo engine you could spec a turbo to spool up by 2k and have most of the power (i.e 170bhp+) right from 3k all the way to 7k.. and have 2x the torque.

my car was throttle boddied, now im in the process of turboing it so ill get back to you with a in depth review once its done.

Thanks for the info mate, I see where you are coming from. How much would it set me back to get a turbo set up like that?

How much did you spend on your throttle body set up and what sort of power where you pushing? How much are you spending on your turbo set up?

A review would be awesome. Also, sorry for the questions bombardment mate.