Turbo or Throttle Bodies, Pro's and Con's? Opinions.. - Page 8 - Saxperience

maddison_vts · 2nd February 2011, 18:55

you're missing the point, it's what happens on the day and drivers etc. my car when it was 136bhp was definitely NOT quicker/faster than a 330bhp skyline.

as for nailing tyres in 500 miles with granny driving, my friends 600bhp r32 GTR has tyres lasting longer than that, and he drives like a nutter! I'd say your friends car has issues.

hard_corejoeboy · 2nd February 2011, 19:09

So in that respect mod your car to how you think you will drive it.
Hence me with my suspension and brake upgrades, buckets, harnesses and little else.

Buy the best you can afford in the best car you can afford and all will be good...

dannygti · 2nd February 2011, 19:14

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

you're missing the point, it's what happens on the day and drivers etc. my car when it was 136bhp was definitely NOT quicker/faster than a 330bhp skyline.

as for nailing tyres in 500 miles with granny driving, my friends 600bhp r32 GTR has tyres lasting longer than that, and he drives like a nutter! I'd say your friends car has issues.

i agree with some and disagree with other things you say. a supra would make for a much better road car but to make it an efficient track car would need a lot of money (jap bits v expensive) and to maintain it would cost a fortune.

also, as said before a light car with high power to weight will corner/brake/handle/respond better than a heavy car with bigger power.

the only times i would expect a evo/subaru/supra/skyline to be better than a car with more hp/tonne is off the line and top speed (i.e. over 130mph) everywhere else i would put money on the car with light weight and better bhp/tonne.

adzvtr · 2nd February 2011, 20:12

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

So in that respect mod your car to how you think you will drive it.
Hence me with my suspension and brake upgrades, buckets, harnesses and little else.

Buy the best you can afford in the best car you can afford and all will be good...

exactly right.
its ok saying that they are better cars, yes to some people that is correct.
but then what makes a better car.
something that never breaks????? or something that is faster????
saying you will get more power from a bigger better car(skyline, evo, scooby, supra) for less than u will to get it in a saxo is rubbish.
they have better quality parts to start with yes. but in order to double the hp on any car is still gunna cost thousands.
and running cost double aswell.

CarlosVT · 2nd February 2011, 20:35

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

no problem, your limiting factor is really how much you want to spend. a mappable ecu is the best route but also the most expensive one, I beleive the predator is around the £500 mark mapped which is mega cheap for a fully mappable ecu. You want a small turbo for low boost ideally ie GT17.

there are loads of guides on here to turbo a saxo and i've seen a couple recently for doing it on the cheap, have a look about on some of the other threads bud and you'll find loads of info

like i said though, budget how much you want to spend and take into account how much work you are willing/capable of doing yourself and then go from there

Thanks for the info mate. I was looking to spend no more than 1.5 - 2k on throttle bodies. So you think with that sort of money I could go for boost and get a lot more power than I would with bodies?

I'll have a little search for the guides and decide which turbo, etc.. to go for

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Originally Posted by Dave_P

Turbo FTW.

Looks like it's going that way mate

martyno · 2nd February 2011, 20:39

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

you're missing the point, it's what happens on the day and drivers etc. my car when it was 136bhp was definitely NOT quicker/faster than a 330bhp skyline.

as for nailing tyres in 500 miles with granny driving, my friends 600bhp r32 GTR has tyres lasting longer than that, and he drives like a nutter! I'd say your friends car has issues.

k i see what you saying but on that day on more than one occasion a 136hp saxo beat a 330hp skyline off the line.

a 600hp skyline has tyres than last more than 500 ragged miles?? really?

Dave_P · 2nd February 2011, 20:41

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Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Looks like it's going that way mate

Good man.

AXracing · 2nd February 2011, 20:42

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Originally Posted by martyno

a 600hp skyline has tyres than last more than 500 ragged miles?? really?

They must be magic. A standard GTR can kill a set of its original boots within a hour no problem.

CarlosVT · 2nd February 2011, 20:46

Loving the pointless discussions going on loool

adzvtr · 2nd February 2011, 21:40

Yes m8. If sourced parts and do alot of the build urself. U could turbo for around 2000. And have more power than bodies. Checkout the stickies about it on here. Plenty info in them

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 00:44

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Originally Posted by adzvtr

Yes m8. If sourced parts and do alot of the build urself. U could turbo for around 2000. And have more power than bodies. Checkout the stickies about it on here. Plenty info in them

Everyone including manufacturers are going turbo hell even F1 is going turbo!
Stand out with some bodies! But yes the turbo will give you more power...and lag...and killed clutches, gearboxes and driveshafts and insurance costs..

adamskiTNR · 3rd February 2011, 00:49

lol. and f1 haven't gone itb's.

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 00:50

V8's im assuming on some kind of tb's though. Sounds almost the same just plus 4 cylinders lol

Ross^p · 3rd February 2011, 00:50

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

in the theory of 'power to weight', my saxo would rinse a 430bhp r32 GTR skyline. In reality, it won't. The skyline would wipe the floor with me.

Some of you guys need to get it into your heads that a saxo/106 won't beat big powered cars just because you don't weigh as much.

A good friend of mine has a 420bhp evo 6, on power to weight and transmission loss again I should be quicker but i'm not.

To add to this, as said previous about '600bhp supras' they are built to take such power, the standard transmission is hench, the 2JZ engine is hench, the driving experience is fantastic and running a supra with such power will be so much more reliable than running a french bag of poo around the roads (to add to it you don't get laughed at by everybody on the roads like you do in a chavvy french hatch) You won't have issues with snapping clutch cables, bending clutch arms, splitting gearbox cases and blowing diffs and you won't have to have group n or even harder engine mounts so you can hear yourself think in it. On top of all this, a car with half the power and half the weight still wouldn't be quicker than it. It may keep with it to a certain point but that will be it.

hardcorejoeboy - make your saxo 160bhp, strip it to 800kg, then go and race a mk2 focus rs. You won't win.

In short what i'm trying to say is, yes you may make a little french hatch quicker or as quick as a standard sports car but you will never make it a better car.

Lol. You really need to go out in a quick saxo or 106. Most people don't laugh at my "shitty French hothatch" at all. Not in the slightest. They're generally on the blunt end of getting their ass handed to them.

A 400 bhp evo is NOT quick. Like I said - go out in a quick 106 and you'll see what all the fuss is about.

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 00:56

Dude a 400bhp evo is definitely quick! Come on compared to MOST cars on the road my 120bhp vts is quick...

Ross^p · 3rd February 2011, 01:01

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Dude a 400bhp evo is definitely quick! Come on compared to MOST cars on the road my 120bhp vts is quick...

Your perspective is wrong

your comparing it to a 120bhp saxo. Of course it's quick in that comparison. Hell a 2.5 vectra is quick compared to a vts.

When you go out in a quick saxo (and I mean QUICK not 170bhp on itb's) you'll understand. I've been in several 300+ bhp 106's (myown included obviously) and they'd tear a 400bhp evo a new asshole.

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 01:04

A vts is quicker to 60 than a vectra lol and 167bhp from a 2.5 V6 is pathetic lol

I know what you mean though mate i'd rather have a fast 106 than a fast evo.

Ross^p · 3rd February 2011, 01:10

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

A vts is quicker to 60 than a vectra lol and 167bhp from a 2.5 V6 is pathetic lol

I know what you mean though mate i'd rather have a fast 106 than a fast evo.

Actually the v6 vectra is quicker than a vts 0-60

7.0 vs 7.6

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 01:15

Guess it depends which one the specs i was pulling up ranged from 8-10secs

KamRacing · 3rd February 2011, 10:20

I like the sound of throttlebodies and a lumpy cam.