wanna get more power out of my vts on a low budget ?

[Tom5190]

He gave a list of things you can do for 'FREE' that he believes will help. Really dont see were the problem is?

[MiniGibbo]

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

I just think its wrong when billy bullshitters give bad advice to kids.

Please explain to me how this is bad advice?

Firstly when you can adjust to whichever voltage you like, factory or slightly advanced or even retarded for fuel economy.

Before you mention, "haha retarded" like somebody as immature and as minuscule amount of knowledge would say, it means to turn back or anticlockwise.

[jeffchiz]

Originally Posted by Tom5190

He gave a list of things you can do for 'FREE' that he believes will help. Really dont see were the problem is?

wouldnt say it was free.

£120- headgasket kit
£54- head skim
£20- valve grinding kit

labour and parts for welding pipe in to your exahsut

and thats assuming you can take off and refit head with out help

adjust the tps by your self

adjusting timing yourself

even without labour you could still be camming your engine for the same price

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

I think engines are bit too far in your comprehension.

[MiniGibbo]

Originally Posted by AJDEbon

Please explain to me how this is bad advice?

Firstly when you can adjust to whichever voltage you like, factory or slightly advanced or even retarded for fuel economy.

Before you mention, "haha retarded" like somebody as immature and as minuscule amount of knowledge would say, it means to turn back or anticlockwise.

You're advice is as useful as polishing the inlets by pouring sand into the throttle body.

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

wouldnt say it was free.

£120- headgasket kit
£54- head skim
£20- valve grinding kit

labour and parts for welding pipe in to your exahsut

and thats assuming you can take off and refit head with out help

adjust the tps by your self

adjusting timing yourself

even without labour you could still be camming your engine for the same price

camming is a lot more involving

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

To much for you to comprehend

[MiniGibbo]

"camming" actually aids performance

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

"camming" actually aids performance

There are other methods that aid performance rather than just "cams and throttle bodies", which is glued to your mind.

Investing in a decent quick-shift mechanism can enhance your acceleration, reducing 0-60 time.

read andywiddss1 post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=267331, you might learn something

[jeffchiz]

Originally Posted by AJDEbon

camming is a lot more involving

it doesnt have to be, most fast road cams idle with oem ecu map, oem tb, std timing marks, oem valve springs/followers, cams can be fitted with no other work involved in next to no time especially in a 16v engine when the only work invovled is slipping the cam belt off, taking the cam covers off, then cam ladders and then the cams are out, empty the followers of oil and re fit everything back together, not trrying to get in an argument here but that can be done in less time than removing the head, having the head skimmed etc

im not saying that stuff is pointless as i did all of that to my vts when fitting cams and bodies, but my headgasket had gone and i wanted my engine and all my seals in good working order

[MiniGibbo]

Originally Posted by AJDEbon

There are other methods that aid performance rather than just "cams and throttle bodies", which is glued to your mind.

Investing in a decent quick-shift mechanism can enhance your acceleration, reducing 0-60 time.

read andywiddss1 post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=267331, you might learn something

You're comparing a "quick shift" to cams and bodies..

Are you just trollin..?

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

it doesnt have to be, most fast road cams idle with oem ecu map, oem tb, std timing marks, oem valve springs/followers, cams can be fitted with no other work involved in next to no time especially in a 16v engine when the only work invovled is slipping the cam belt off, taking the cam covers off, then cam ladders and then the cams are out, empty the followers of oil and re fit everything back together, not trrying to get in an argument here but that can be done in less time than removing the head, having the head skimmed etc

im not saying that stuff is pointless as i did all of that to my vts when fitting cams and bodies, but my headgasket had gone and i wanted my engine and all my seals in good working order

I can see where your coming from as I was assuming a Re-map would need to be involved, however with cams idling issues will arise (not as bad with fast road cams but the car will still run slightly lumpy and its not a quick fix if you don't like it). At-least with a skimmed rebuilt head like you mentioned all seals should be in good working order. I think other less costly investments can be made before resulting to cams

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

You're comparing a "quick shift" to cams and bodies..

Are you just trollin..?

I wasn't comparing a quick-shift to camshafts or throttle bodies, rather saying it can make a slight improvement like most things I've said.

[stevo1600]

No they cannot.

cams and a remap will hold more power than your theory im afraid and are a very good upgrade once breathing is sorted.

infact just having ph3s unmapped will produce more power than any other method in that price range.

exhaust system
induction kit
and cams are the easiest of power gains to anyone mechanically minded who owns a vts.

tweaking about with engine timing and tps voltages is seriously not worth it when you will get hardly any power gain on the tu engines.

[jeffchiz]

Originally Posted by AJDEbon

I can see where your coming from as I was assuming a Re-map would need to be involved, however with cams idling issues will arise (not as bad with fast road cams but the car will still run slightly lumpy and its not a quick fix if you don't like it). At-least with a skimmed rebuilt head like you mentioned all seals should be in good working order. I think other less costly investments can be made before resulting to cams

99% of people on the forum have fast road cams as they dont want the hassle of changing pistons, my housemate has the new 743 catcam cams he had them unmapped for a couple weeks, idle wasnt pefect and it did stall from time to time but it was perfectly fine to live with

in my eyes its all or nothing, what you suggest is perfectly fine, but i would only do it if im going full out on my engine, id rather just have a slightly worn out engine with breathing mods lol and then buy a new engine for £100 if it gives up ha

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by stevo1600

No they cannot.

cams and a remap will hold more power than your theory im afraid and are a very good upgrade once breathing is sorted.

infact just having ph3s unmapped will produce more power than any other method in that price range.

exhaust system
induction kit
and cams are the easiest of power gains to anyone mechanically minded who owns a vts.

tweaking about with engine timing and tps voltages is seriously not worth it when you will get hardly any power gain on the tu engines.

I don't mean to be offensive in any way but Unfortunately you wouldn't have the knowledge neither the tooling to fully understand tweaking an engine. I used to work for TWR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walkinshaw_Racing and over time found that just Blue-printing an engine can substantially increase power.

[JoshFurioBrookes]

Originally Posted by AJDEbon

I don't mean to be offensive in any way but Unfortunately you wouldn't have the knowledge neither the tooling to fully understand tweaking an engine. I used to work for TWR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walkinshaw_Racing and over time found that just Blue-printing an engine can substantially increase power.

For all we know you could of been their receptionist.

If there are cheaper and more effective ways of increasing power output of VTS engines than Cams and a Remap then most of Saxperience would be doing it by now...

And by increasing power output effectively I dont mean three bhp.

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

99% of people on the forum have fast road cams as they dont want the hassle of changing pistons, my housemate has the new 743 catcam cams he had them unmapped for a couple weeks, idle wasnt pefect and it did stall from time to time but it was perfectly fine to live with

in my eyes its all or nothing, what you suggest is perfectly fine, but i would only do it if im going full out on my engine, id rather just have a slightly worn out engine with breathing mods lol and then buy a new engine for £100 if it gives up ha

What I suggested mostly involved meticulous re-building and tweaking for low cost and durability. Just making better with what you have I would probably have thought would have been a better option, I know it's not going to give the gains of camshafts and have mentioned several times it's just enhancing what you have.

[AJDEbon]

Originally Posted by JoshFurioBrookes

For all we know you could of been their receptionist.

If there are cheaper and more effective ways of increasing power output of VTS engines than Cams and a Remap then most of Saxperience would be doing it by now...

And by increasing power output effectively I dont mean three bhp.

I think you need to read back in the thread and look at the tips I mentioned, once again these tweaks are making better for what you have and won't add substantial gains but will give the edge on what you've already got.

I think you are another believing I am comparing my minor tuning techniques at low budget and durability to camshafts and remap etc.....

Just looking at your car in a car-park tells it all