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9th August 2012, 22:48
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Shagged rear axle, some questions about replacing it
Hello everyone
I have a W reg VTS, and my rear axle is proper shagged and needs replacing.
I understand the cheapest option is to swap the axle for a new one.
VTS axles seem to be extremely hard to get hold of from scrappies around the area, so I'm looking at other options to get me through an MOT so that I have something I can use while I start to save up for a new car.
One thought my dad had, would be to swap it over with a standard saxo axle with drums instead of disk brakes on the rear, however I have a few questions regarding this idea that I am hoping you can help with:
1. Would the drum axle from another saxo fit a VTS that had disk brakes?
2. I'm pretty sure my car has ABS on the rear, if I did fit drum brakes, would this cause the ABS light on the dashboard to come on, and therefore fail an MOT.
3. If the answer to above question is yes, how could this be worked around?
Thanks in advance.
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9th August 2012, 23:03
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Best option is www.imaxles.co.uk mate tbh. Do it once, do it right.
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9th August 2012, 23:11
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Drums use different handbrake cables too.
Your right with the ABS too.. the VTR has the same rear beam, Might broaden your search.
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9th August 2012, 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
Drums use different handbrake cables too.
Your right with the ABS too.. the VTR has the same rear beam, Might broaden your search.
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The beams are also not the same width...
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9th August 2012, 23:18
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Assuming you mean the drum vs disk? As R/S are the same?
The rear wheel's would look lost - good idea at the time.. But too much work / hassle / backwards fitting a drum beam lol
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9th August 2012, 23:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
Assuming you mean the drum vs disk? As R/S are the same?
The rear wheel's would look lost - good idea at the time.. But too much work / hassle / backwards fitting a drum beam lol
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Yeah disc vs drum are different iirc. As you suggest op should search for vts/Vtr/gti rear beam from scrappy, or go refurb with im axles.
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10th August 2012, 00:08
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Ah, so basically it is a VTS axle or nothing then??
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10th August 2012, 00:15
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Nah
VTR + VTS are the exact same.. GTI also is the same apart from it has bigger torsion bars (stiffer rear end)
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10th August 2012, 11:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
Nah
VTR + VTS are the exact same.. GTI also is the same apart from it has bigger torsion bars (stiffer rear end)
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Non ABS VTR + VTS are not exactly the same. VTS has splines on the hub for ABS to work. If you fit a Non ABS VTR axle to your VTS, your ABS will not work.
Do one of three things
1) Find a replacement ABS rear axle and fit it (VTS or GTI will be fine)
2) Take your axle off and send it to IMAxles
3) I can give you the name and number of a top old bloke on Westbury trading estate that will replace the bearings in the axle for you (and replace stub pins if they are badly pitted) while you wait. You take it up to him and pay less than IMAxles charge and you get no hassle of taking the beam off or messing around with brake lines etc. He will also lower or raise it to your desired height. I had my VTS done there last year.
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10th August 2012, 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
Nah
VTR + VTS are the exact same.. GTI also is the same apart from it has bigger torsion bars (stiffer rear end)
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same torsion bars, has a thicker antiroll bar
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10th August 2012, 00:26
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Stick with a disc rear end and you'll be fine, all the bare beams are the same though.
Its only the disc/drum brake trailing arm set up that's different, the disc rear end giving the extra girth.
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10th August 2012, 00:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_P
Stick with a disc rear end and you'll be fine, all the bare beams are the same though.
Its only the disc/drum brake trailing arm set up that's different, the disc rear end giving the extra girth.
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It's girth that matters tho Dave
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10th August 2012, 00:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RossDagley
It's girth that matters tho Dave
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Not so Ross, the drum rear axle is lighter than the disc alternative... its weight that matters.
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10th August 2012, 00:35
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That's not what your... No wait, I won't lower myself to your standards...
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10th August 2012, 01:12
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Aye... you know it makes sense...
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10th August 2012, 05:30
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ive got rear beam for sale if you get stuff no play no wobble no chamber
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10th August 2012, 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huricane
ive got rear beam for sale if you get stuff no play no wobble no chamber
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How much??
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10th August 2012, 17:27
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Originally Posted by joeybop
How much??
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£80......
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10th August 2012, 11:36
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VTR + VTS non abs axles are the exact same
VTR + VTS abs axles are the exact same
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10th August 2012, 11:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
VTR + VTS non abs axles are the exact same
VTR + VTS abs axles are the exact same
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How many VTSs do you know that don't have ABS?
How many VTRs had ABS as standard?
Maybe we should settle this by saying that the OP needs an ABS disk rear axle?
From the OPs point of view it's pretty much best to assume when sourcing an axle that an axle from a VTR is going to stop his ABS from working because very few VTRs have ABS.
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