Bin the PS? - Saxperience

Alex^p · 21st January 2011, 23:10

Had the MOT and steering rack knock came up as an advisory.
Need to investigate more but was just thinking if it is the rack thats gone if it would be worth putting in a non-ps one.

Anyone know how much all the PS equip weighs?

mark1311 · 21st January 2011, 23:16

we was on about this other day forgot what thread, but from what i been told, its onli the 1.1's with no pas, and the whole pedal box set up is different, so best thing to do is just block it up with someting, but make sure its fully drained 1st

Jimmy-Boy · 22nd January 2011, 00:29

Power steering major over rated in track cars, not needed at all.

Bedford126 · 22nd January 2011, 13:43

better to just strip the pas rack and block the ports up with some big bolts and rubber "o" rings to get it through the next mot. the pas rack is also faster than the none pas rack even when its stripped.
link below.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=356587&page=2

adamskiTNR · 22nd January 2011, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-Boy

Power steering major over rated in track cars, not needed at all.

Don't think it's ever been rated. only for parking lol

-shuggles- · 22nd January 2011, 14:00

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Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

Don't think it's ever been rated. only for parking lol

Even when parking it is not too bad but when going round a corner it feels alot better

Colin · 22nd January 2011, 17:38

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Originally Posted by bedford126

better to just strip the pas rack and block the ports up with some big bolts and rubber "o" rings to get it through the next mot. the pas rack is also faster than the none pas rack even when its stripped.
link below.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=356587&page=2

Yep. This is the thing to do.

Dont buy a Non PAS rack they are geared higher and the wheels then hit the inner arches (on VT* models) as they have more turns lock to lock.

I keep my PAS as it "dampens" out bump steer.

Alex^p · 23rd January 2011, 15:26

Ah, so it's best to keep the rack but just strip out the pipes and pump.

@Colin, You keep yours PAS as it's mainly for rally with uneven roads etc?

Colin · 23rd January 2011, 17:08

Yeah thats one of the reasons, that and getting round hairpins/chicanes with less effort lol

Dave_P · 23rd January 2011, 17:58

If its fitted keep it!

AlexB^p · 24th January 2011, 07:02

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Originally Posted by mark1311

we was on about this other day forgot what thread, but from what i been told, its onli the 1.1's with no pas, and the whole pedal box set up is different, so best thing to do is just block it up with someting, but make sure its fully drained 1st

Pedal box doesnt differ but column does so would need rack and colunn but as colin said the non pas rack itself is better imo

i just took the pipes of my old one didnt even bung the holes up

mark1311 · 24th January 2011, 11:41

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Originally Posted by AlexB

Pedal box doesnt differ but column does so would need rack and colunn but as colin said the non pas rack itself is better imo

i just took the pipes of my old one didnt even bung the holes up

am not 100% i was just saying from what i read in the tread bedford posted.

axsaxoman · 28th January 2011, 21:51

I have say that having converted a p/s rack to non assisted it is not that good an idea ,if you have serious power and sticky tyres ,but if you must ,then fit a non p/s rack --slightly more truns lock to lock but easier to keep hold of when you clip a kerb.
but once you get big power and sticky tyres you will be a much better driver with a p.s rack you don,t have to hang on to it ,so you can be more delicate with the inputs,thats why all rally cars have p/s theses days --funny steering geometry does not make it easy to hang on to and the best set-up for steering angles will make the steering heavier when you have lock on--just my opinion. if you are goig to do it ,then you must remove the ram completely or it will be even heavier and adead feel to it

hard_corejoeboy · 29th January 2011, 10:19

Sorry but a saxo without power steering is the worst experience i've ever had. My PAS lines leaked and left me with no PAS so i was driving around for weeks without it. Steering 'feel' felt worse and when i did get it fixed the car felt like a GT3 RS!! There is no way you can turn a corner as quickly or as sharply without PAS.

Sure its my opinion but having driven no PAS and PAS i would say there is no question in what i would run...

Mochachino · 29th January 2011, 15:35

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Sorry but a saxo without power steering is the worst experience i've ever had. My PAS lines leaked and left me with no PAS so i was driving around for weeks without it. Steering 'feel' felt worse and when i did get it fixed the car felt like a GT3 RS!! There is no way you can turn a corner as quickly or as sharply without PAS.

Sure its my opinion but having driven no PAS and PAS i would say there is no question in what i would run...

Thats broken PAS not non PAS...

broken PAS is rediculously hard to use.

adamskiTNR · 29th January 2011, 23:12

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Sorry but a saxo without power steering is the worst experience i've ever had. My PAS lines leaked and left me with no PAS so i was driving around for weeks without it. Steering 'feel' felt worse and when i did get it fixed the car felt like a GT3 RS!! There is no way you can turn a corner as quickly or as sharply without PAS.

Sure its my opinion but having driven no PAS and PAS i would say there is no question in what i would run...

A slight fail

hard_corejoeboy · 30th January 2011, 00:11

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Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

A slight fail

How would i know the difference between no PAS and broken PAS?
Thats like saying i know the difference between broken brake lines and no brakes!

Paul^p · 30th January 2011, 01:14

As said, broken PAS is nothing like no PAS.. but i guess you've got that by now.

Non PAS saxos aren't that hard to drive, a mate let me drive his forte a couple years ago (we was on a road trip and he got tired bless him). It took about 10 minutes to get used to and it was pretty easy. But when i jumped back in my VTR the next day i really appreciated the power steering.

One thing i will say when i experienced when driving his non PAS saxo, it made me realise how much 'dry steer' i was doing back then. I didn't really realise i was doing it until i drove his non PAS. Suppose i could say it made me a better driver lol.

hard_corejoeboy · 30th January 2011, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Paul

As said, broken PAS is nothing like no PAS.. but i guess you've got that by now.

Yeah i think i got that now lol

Bedford126 · 30th January 2011, 14:11

the difference between non pas and broken pas is the fact your pushing around a hell of a lot of fluid through pipes so you get a lot of resistance.
and its a hell of a nicer drive on the roads without pas doesn't feel as twitchy so you feel way more in control.