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16th October 2011, 22:35
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Saxo VTS NA tuning advice
Hi, im buying a mk2 Saxo VTS tommorow as a project to do me over the winter as a 2nd car. I dont have a clue about whats good and whats not as ive always been into my vauxhalls etc. I know this has probably been asked lots before but what cams, manifolds, exhaust systems and filters do people reccomend and what sort of bhp figure will i be expected to achieve with the above? cheers
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16th October 2011, 22:39
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Saxperience Forum Bum
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depending on budget...
ph3 cams
panel filter
supersprint exhaust and mani
bmc cda induction kit
Don't forget to make it stop better and go round corners tho..
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16th October 2011, 22:42
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ascot
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Car(s): Mint 106 rallye,
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Welcome mate
Cams: Newman ph3 or catcams 708.
Manifolds: Supersprint/Raceland/Gmc/Piper All depends on how much you wanna spend.
Exhaust: Kam racing/Supersprint/piper.
Filter: Bmc/ (Procomp if you can fine one) standed box with uprated filter.
Ecu: There loads of options standalone ecu, Omex, Predator.
Some site might help!
http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/citroen-saxo.html
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/
http://www.atspeedracing.co.uk/
Last edited by joe333; 16th October 2011 at 23:08.
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16th October 2011, 22:46
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expect 150-160hp from cams and mapping, though it depends more on ecu.
look at a 1.1 gearbox - i think this was way better than the others, better than vts and S1 rallye box.
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16th October 2011, 22:48
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L-plater
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Car(s): 02 Saxo VTR in Gold
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But surely if you change gearbox to a 1.1 then driveshafts will no longer fit, they are different on a 1.1?
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16th October 2011, 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by e8_pqck
expect 150-160hp from cams and mapping, though it depends more on ecu.
look at a 1.1 gearbox - i think this was way better than the others, better than vts and S1 rallye box.
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describe better??
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16th October 2011, 22:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by e8_pqck
expect 150-160hp from cams and mapping, though it depends more on ecu.
look at a 1.1 gearbox - i think this was way better than the others, better than vts and S1 rallye box.
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1.1 gear box on a cammed vts? more like S1/S2 box or 1.4 xsi....
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16th October 2011, 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by -shuggles-
depending on budget...
ph3 cams
panel filter
supersprint exhaust and mani
bmc cda induction kit
Don't forget to make it stop better and go round corners tho..
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not really got a budget, will just need to focus on the mechanical side of it as it looks alright exterior wise.. will take a look at a few of the things above. cheers 
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16th October 2011, 23:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joe333
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Thanks for the help . what are the piper manifolds like? i spied one on ebay for sale, whats the going rate on them?
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16th October 2011, 23:07
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Its ok mate they are mid range I think!....Better then the raceland, but not as good and supersprint. but if you just looking for a mani don't care about build quality and wanna cheap one get raceland mate!
http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...-manifold.html
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17th October 2011, 11:18
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all racelands are only available second hand at the moment as Raceland are not manufacturing at the moment while they reshuffle the business. The Supersprint Manifold for the Citreon Saxo is the best performing. They are hand finished to smooth the welds so you get the best flow possible through the manifold.
With cams I think the Catcams 1321708 Saxo VTS cams are the best quality on the market. They've changed to using their own blanks for these rather than the other supplier all the other brands use.
Exhausts - the best flowing are the KAM Racing race exhaust or the Supersprint systems for Citroen Saxo.
For Induction the Simota Aeroform enclosed is very nice. Similar to the old raceland enclosed but a far superior quality.
Last edited by KamRacing; 17th October 2011 at 11:32.
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17th October 2011, 11:30
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^^^^
this man sells some great stuff cheap. Unless you wanna turbo it you'll spend your life on his website
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17th October 2011, 11:39
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put a JP4 head on and use j4 cams and springs.....
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17th October 2011, 11:52
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when you go to buy this said car check for negative camber on the rear wheels (wheels touching inner arch) also check for rust under the ecu and fuse box and chassis leg as you being a vaux man you should be educated in the art of rust
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Oo paul these vts's are spose to be quick with cams want to take it for a drive to see what its like? Alright dave BARRRPP... Cambelt "I dont like being here" snap. I reakon its something like that.
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17th October 2011, 12:01
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work out the bhp you want before spending any money -- or vice versa --that will tell you the best way to go
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17th October 2011, 12:37
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L-plater
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Thats good advice mate, never thought of it that way! I'm hoping to get around 200bhp, would be happy with anything over 180!!
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17th October 2011, 13:40
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And how much money do you have to get to this goal? You are looking at getting to a £6k + engine build for that power. Throttlebodies, cams, stronger cam springs, possible solid lifters etc, forged pistons, Aftermarket ecu, remapping and rolling road time plus everything else...
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17th October 2011, 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Sri
not really got a budget, will just need to focus on the mechanical side of it as it looks alright exterior wise.. will take a look at a few of the things above. cheers |
saxo's are for fun anyway so no point bothering with cosmetics unless you are going for a similar thing to wassy's saxo. Kam racing's solid beam mounts are good upgrade to make the back end a bit more predictable too
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17th October 2011, 15:40
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Originally Posted by joe333
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As above mate, can't go wrong with any of that. As others have said though, don't forget to uprate the brakes and suspension, the standard brakes aren't going to be fantastic when you are hovering around the 150bhp+ mark
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17th October 2011, 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StuttzVTR
But surely if you change gearbox to a 1.1 then driveshafts will no longer fit, they are different on a 1.1?
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nope, driveshafts fit fine.
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