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15th November 2007, 18:36
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#121
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Location: Birmingham, West Midlands
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Car(s): Saxo Vts
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im gettin my vts at the weekend. if they are 200 i will have a set. so what are the best ones ? ph3 for a vts? are they same sort of spec as 708's. how do we pay the money?
1. Jeeves_101 - PH3's
2. raunchz - 16v PH3's + followers
3. b0t13 (after jan/late jan)
4. jazz_360 - PH3 (vts)
5. frankie640 - PH3 (16v and followers)
6. Dibz - PH3's + Followers
7. Pricey - PH4
8. my_vtech_eater - PH3's(vts)
9. Joshap1 -ph3 (vts)
10.garysvts (vts)
11.pug205gti87 (vts weekend)
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15th November 2007, 19:02
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#122
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ashford
Posts: 25,611
Car(s): LY R26
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1. Jeeves_101 - PH3's
2. raunchz - 16v PH3's + followers
3. b0t13 (after jan/late jan)
4. jazz_360 - PH3 (vts)
5. frankie640 - PH3 (16v and followers)
6. Dibz - PH3's + Followers
7. Pricey - PH4
8. my_vtech_eater - PH3's(vts)
9. Joshap1 -ph3 (vts)
10.garysvts (vts)
11.pug205gti87 (vts weekend)
12. Soulless
Interested for £200 for a pair, im after the VTS cams (obviously) and the ph3 if they are similar to 708s
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15th November 2007, 19:32
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#123
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
Posts: 14,233
Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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Yeh, PH3's are slightly wilder than 708's, but still okay on standard internals !! Is probably the best to get, unless you plan on TB's later on.
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15th November 2007, 19:59
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#124
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 7,566
Car(s): CLS63 AMG
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12 people in a matter of days, by new year this group buy might be massive? Good price already jeeves, but if we hit say 20 people, will there be another decrease? Just curious mate. And keep us informed with the belts!
Looking good so far...
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15th November 2007, 20:22
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#125
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Posts: 19,910
Car(s): CW Honda Integra DC5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazz_360
12 people in a matter of days, by new year this group buy might be massive? Good price already jeeves, but if we hit say 20 people, will there be another decrease? Just curious mate. And keep us informed with the belts!
Looking good so far...
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am still deciding whats current price, i think they should discount more if 20 if there is 19 and i aint got my name al put it down haha
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15th November 2007, 20:30
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#126
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Weston-S-Mare
Posts: 3,713
Car(s): Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5
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will see what i can sort out, tho we more than likely be after the weekend, just too busy at the moment.
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16th November 2007, 17:00
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#127
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carnforth (lancaster)
Posts: 1,617
Car(s): 55 CTR premier
'97 posi vts
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which ones are best for a vtr?
with induction kit, 4-1, de-cat,
will be remapped too.
want cams for best mix of power and torque, not all top end power in fuck all of the rev range
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16th November 2007, 17:07
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#128
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
Posts: 14,233
Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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You'll want either the PH2 or PH3 cam. I'd personally go for the PH3 cam as it'll give you more power, but you should still get good power through the revs.
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16th November 2007, 17:16
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#129
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carnforth (lancaster)
Posts: 1,617
Car(s): 55 CTR premier
'97 posi vts
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good do, what else would i NEED on my vtr IE: pulley?, followers?
other goodies that would make a worth while improvment for the remap
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16th November 2007, 18:20
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#130
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
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I don't know much about vtr's. But the pulley on them isn't adjustable, so for best results I think you'll need an adjustable pulley to get the most out of the cams when getting remap.
Whereas VTS's have adjustable pulleys standard which allows retarding and advancing of the timing to gain either more power or driveability (i think as I've read it)
I think Vtr's may need different valve springs, i think stiffer, for wild'ish cams.
Someone else will be able to correct/clarify this though, as I havn't looked into it for Vtr's.
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16th November 2007, 18:23
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#131
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carnforth (lancaster)
Posts: 1,617
Car(s): 55 CTR premier
'97 posi vts
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cheers,
anyone else shed any light on this a to what i would need to get the cams running reliable and to get the most out of them?
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16th November 2007, 21:00
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#132
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South Wales
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The Valley's init
Posts: 3,601
Car(s): vtr mk2
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jeves how 'wild' is the cam for the 8v model??
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17th November 2007, 12:13
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#133
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carnforth (lancaster)
Posts: 1,617
Car(s): 55 CTR premier
'97 posi vts
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just reading the GMC website about cams and it looks like anyone wanting cams for a VTR will need
Adjustable pulley £100 (GMC)
new followers £X (Newmans group buy)
stronger valve springs £45 (GMC)
new cam seal may be a good idea
just added gmc prices for a guide.
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17th November 2007, 12:27
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#134
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
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Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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I'd get the cam seal, I think it's part number 023644 from Citroen. Can't be over £5 i wouldn't think.
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17th November 2007, 12:28
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#135
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carnforth (lancaster)
Posts: 1,617
Car(s): 55 CTR premier
'97 posi vts
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exactly so definatly worth changing
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17th November 2007, 13:35
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#136
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: St Austell, United Kingdom (England)
Posts: 1,691
Car(s): Ibiza Cupra
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Right guys would the ph3's be ok with a Gti engine that will probably have done 95k if i have a cambelt change? or will i need other parts? as its quite high mileage.
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17th November 2007, 13:52
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#137
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
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Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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I'd change to followers aswell. And whilst the cambelt is off, I'd change the water pump, and do the idlers aswell, might not need to do the idlers, but for the sake of £50 I would change them.
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17th November 2007, 13:56
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#138
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: St Austell, United Kingdom (England)
Posts: 1,691
Car(s): Ibiza Cupra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raunchz
I'd change to followers aswell. And whilst the cambelt is off, I'd change the water pump, and do the idlers aswell, might not need to do the idlers, but for the sake of £50 I would change them.
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Ideal cheers mate.
Well i wouldn't have them fitted until april/may, so that'll give me a chance to save up for the remap + other bits!
1. Jeeves_101 - PH3's
2. raunchz - 16v PH3's + followers
3. b0t13 (after jan/late jan)
4. jazz_360 - PH3 (vts)
5. frankie640 - PH3 (16v and followers)
6. Dibz - PH3's + Followers
7. Pricey - PH4
8. my_vtech_eater - PH3's(vts)
9. Joshap1 -ph3 (vts)
10. garysvts (vts)
11. pug205gti87 (vts weekend)
12. Soulless
13. Bake - PH3's (GTi)
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17th November 2007, 14:01
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#139
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
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Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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Also, will probably be best to replace the vts/gti camshaft oil seals, part number 080724 from Citroen - about £8.
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17th November 2007, 14:08
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#140
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Infrequent Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 240
Car(s): 106 GTi
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I think you'll definately need new springs mate and maybe followers tbh.
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