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17th January 2011, 19:32
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Totally agree mate. I would like to try some myself too though, but im not really chasing that last couple of tenths and my second name isnt "Hamilton" so i feel I dont need them 
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17th January 2011, 19:33
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The rear bar subject is all about how YOU want the car to feel really. yet again bigger isn't always better. if YOU can go faster with thin bars, then why would YOU want thicker bars? just to take the car out of your comfort zone, thus slowing YOU down. And just for good measure. YOU
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17th January 2011, 19:35
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Would it not twist your chassis having an immensely springy back end compared to the front?
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17th January 2011, 19:37
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The rear bar subject is all about how YOU want the car to feel really. yet again bigger isn't always better. if YOU can go faster with thin bars, then why would YOU want thicker bars? just to take the car out of your comfort zone, thus slowing YOU down. And just for good measure. YOU
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Agreed, I like the car oversteery, and mine does that now so I wont change it tbh.
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17th January 2011, 19:38
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19mm bars are fine for bumpy tarmac rally stages but for track days/racing/speed events & SQM you really want to be thinking about fitting bigger bars.
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17th January 2011, 19:41
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Big deal if i haven't got a motorsport degree and am not a mechanic. Could quite easily take the piss out of you if you tried to assemble a GPMG or an SA80 rifle cos you haven't done it before. Yet you think its fine to mock me for my lack of technical knowledge of a Citroen Saxo LMAO
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Difference is im not on a SA80 owners forum chatting shit...
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Snapped banjo's only happen when you're that shite that the girl eventually dries up like the sahara desert and your little jimmy cricket gains traction on the clunge when you're at full throttle
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17th January 2011, 20:01
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Difference is im not on a SA80 owners forum chatting shit...
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How about give some advice then or is that too hard?
Its not shit if i believe it to be true. I get on fine with the car as it is so why would i care what anyone else thinks?
If i like it then someone else will. They don't need to be told 'you need this £5000 suspension setup to go on track and gain the admiration of fellow forum members you don't particularly care to meet'
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17th January 2011, 20:01
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I'm not a mechanic and i couldn't put a gun together so lets not fall out guys... can we get back on topic now?
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17th January 2011, 20:10
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I'm not a mechanic and i couldn't put a gun together so lets not fall out guys... can we get back on topic now?
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I was on topic then got attacked again lol 
Why do saxo's not have rear strut braces? I've seen them on clio's but never on saxo's? Im not a fan of oversteer especially not in a tin can.
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17th January 2011, 20:10
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
How about give some advice then or is that too hard?
Its not shit if i believe it to be true. I get on fine with the car as it is so why would i care what anyone else thinks?
If i like it then someone else will. They don't need to be told 'you need this £5000 suspension setup to go on track and gain the admiration of fellow forum members you don't particularly care to meet'
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Whos telling anyone to buy a £5000 suspension setup?
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Snapped banjo's only happen when you're that shite that the girl eventually dries up like the sahara desert and your little jimmy cricket gains traction on the clunge when you're at full throttle
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17th January 2011, 20:11
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Am one of the few that dont like the bigger torsion bars or thicker arb's on the rear for that matter.
Makes the rear to twitchy.
It's for track at the end of the day and track time is meant to be for fun, anything more then you should be looking in to competing.
people seem to forget why they went to a track day in the first place, and when you get all serious you lose some of the fun.
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Its like a cunt, Only tighter. I'll happily give a bird a good rim job too, Its a little bit like licking a battery though.
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theres actually lots of gingers on here lol, maybe its a saxo thing
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17th January 2011, 20:12
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
I was on topic then got attacked again lol
Why do saxo's not have rear strut braces? I've seen them on clio's but never on saxo's? Im not a fan of oversteer especially not in a tin can. |
Was that meant in jest?
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Its like a cunt, Only tighter. I'll happily give a bird a good rim job too, Its a little bit like licking a battery though.
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theres actually lots of gingers on here lol, maybe its a saxo thing
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17th January 2011, 20:12
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Originally Posted by nath_vts
Thanks for the advice ive put polycarbs next on the list to get rid of body roll...
I dont see how the bhp of a car governs what suspension setup you have. They dont have GrpN Tarmac = 184bhp-206bhp and Gravel for 172bhp-184bhp Raceland 55bhp-91bhp
Il inform the saxmax boys that they only need B8s aswell with 155lb springs, upper n lower strut braces (OMP), powerflex (poverty) rear beam mounts and polycarbs to reduce body roll. In fact they have less power than a VTS so Standards should do them fine right?
In all seriousness you are an idiot and shouldnt be in this section.
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and relax..
Less mass and a lower centre of gravity means less weight transfer. I know what top running saxmax run and quite frankly their setup is unsuitable for anything but an all out race car. I dont think anyone needs to run anything anywhere near as serious or expensive for a trackday.
Engine power is not really related, but a generally faster car may work its chassis far harder due to higher speeds attained.
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17th January 2011, 20:16
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Originally Posted by loudandproud205
Am one of the few that dont like the bigger torsion bars or thicker arb's on the rear for that matter.
Makes the rear to twitchy.
It's for track at the end of the day and track time is meant to be for fun, anything more then you should be looking in to competing.
people seem to forget why they went to a track day in the first place, and when you get all serious you lose some of the fun.
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If you match the front to the bigger rear torsion bars then this should help to balance the car, but understeer is certainly easier to predict
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17th January 2011, 20:49
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Originally Posted by loudandproud205
Am one of the few that dont like the bigger torsion bars or thicker arb's on the rear for that matter.
Makes the rear to twitchy.
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A persons driving style could make the car twitchy, lift off oversteer etc. I have 23mm bars & 25mm ARB as well as Proflex 3 way rear dampers and apart from 1 oversteery moment my car will not oversteer even if i try & provoke it...
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17th January 2011, 20:53
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A persons driving style could make the car twitchy, lift off oversteer etc. I have 23mm bars & 25mm ARB as well as Proflex 3 way rear dampers and apart from 1 oversteery moment my car will not oversteer even if i try & provoke it... |
Looks like the track was a bit wet on that one.
This one is from poor driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MktWvMsPakY
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17th January 2011, 20:56
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Na it was dry...
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17th January 2011, 21:00
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Na it was dry...
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Fair enough looked wet in vid. You have any pics/thread of the car?
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17th January 2011, 21:04
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17th January 2011, 21:14
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my car with 23mm torsion bars and 24mm rear arb drives very precisely. Get a much better feeling of when the car unbalances front to rear and begins to lose traction at either end.
Kind of essential to keep on the throttle through any complex of close turns as it will slide out very easily with lift off..really complements having a diff imo.
but im still learning the characteristics of my car so cant go into much detail. All i will say is its alot nicer on track than my daily saxo with 155lbs springs etc... but on the road is the opposite.
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