omex ecu - Page 5 - Saxperience

leeroybrown · 5th October 2007, 11:36

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yeh understand that but thing is i want standalone for the fact it gives me the oppotunity further down the line to go bodies if i want to!

Go get bodies Sam the noise is well worth it

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:39

I'm not changing the bottom end. I won't be spending any more money on the engine after I go with the iTBs and engine managment. It just gets too costly after that.

Yes, it will make a diffrence having the iTBs done. There's mucho benifitio mate. As long as you can get a good source of cold air to them, you're on to a winner. I've got the added advantage of having a fairly tweaked cylider head, which will reap me benifits once the iTbs go on.

The iTBs compared to the stock inlet (This is considering your running 708s) will allow you to have a good idle. At the moment, my idle is shocking, but that's probably because I've tweaked the exhaust cam timing for more power, at a loss of idle. This won't be an issue with the iTBs, as you can alter the amount of air / fuel mixture which goes into each cylinder, effectively reducing the lumpyness of the idle, and also allowing for fine tuning to unlock more power.

You will also get better throttle responce with the iTBs, and you will make the car more driveable. Power delivery will be smoother, and you will have a better all round drive.

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:41

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Go get bodies Sam the noise is well worth it

Oh yeah! And the NOISE!!! Waaaaaaaarp, waaaaaaaaaaarp. lol

samcook · 5th October 2007, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Toad

I'm not changing the bottom end. I won't be spending any more money on the engine after I go with the iTBs and engine managment. It just gets too costly after that.

Yes, it will make a diffrence having the iTBs done. There's mucho benifitio mate. As long as you can get a good source of cold air to them, you're on to a winner. I've got the added advantage of having a fairly tweaked cylider head, which will reap me benifits once the iTbs go on.

The iTBs compared to the stock inlet (This is considering your running 708s) will allow you to have a good idle. At the moment, my idle is shocking, but that's probably because I've tweaked the exhaust cam timing for more power, at a loss of idle. This won't be an issue with the iTBs, as you can alter the amount of air / fuel mixture which goes into each cylinder, effectively reducing the lumpyness of the idle, and also allowing for fine tuning to unlock more power.

You will also get better throttle responce with the iTBs, and you will make the car more driveable. Power delivery will be smoother, and you will have a better all round drive.

how much would i be looking at for the bodies then and everything to fit them? would my standard cyclinder head be fine with them? or what i need it flowed etc.

samcook · 5th October 2007, 11:43

just had a reply from emerald which was

Hi Sam,
If you are handy with a soldering iron you should be able to change the loom-plug. We give you a manual & wiring diagram with the ECU so it's mostly common sense following the wires and matching up your sensors etc. with the pinouts. If you know any competent auto electricians it's something they could very easily do.
Take a look at the wiring diagram in the manual starting on page 55.

For someone to do it for you, you can speak to Craig Taylor on this number 01217530415 - he'll put you in touch with a local chap who does his Emerald wiring. Craig is a customer of ours and has been using our systems for a long time.
best regards
Leoni

leeroybrown · 5th October 2007, 11:44

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s long as you can get a good source of cold air to them

One of the man probs as the inlet is on the back of the engine

What JP did is the best, think it was a old 206 gti carbon fibre airbox he used for his along side a pro comp filter

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how much would i be looking at for the bodies then and everything to fit them

Sam you going for jenveys or bike bodies?

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:48

Cool, interesting mail. It's all about finding the right person with the experience of doing them for our cars. It will be a doddle for them...

You should get the headwork done, but you don't have to. I would do it...

QEP will supply me with EVERYTHING required for the iTB setup for £2k after VAT. This includes KMS ECU, KMS wideband lambda display, all the loom, sensors, etc,etc. GMC will then do all the rest of the work for £1K: Installation, wiring and mapping.

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:49

Oh, that includes the KMS DTH bodies.

leeroybrown · 5th October 2007, 11:50

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Oh, that includes the KMS DTH bodies.

Which are rather good

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:51

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Which are rather good

So I've also heard. I think the DCOEs are becoming a tad old school are they not?

leeroybrown · 5th October 2007, 11:52

KMS ones wasnt that what CUPRA-CRAIG had on his gti?

Toad · 5th October 2007, 11:54

Yes, the very same...

samcook · 5th October 2007, 11:58

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

One of the man probs as the inlet is on the back of the engine

What JP did is the best, think it was a old 206 gti carbon fibre airbox he used for his along side a pro comp filter

Sam you going for jenveys or bike bodies?

probably the kms ones as ive been looking at them on the qep site dont think ive got the cash tho atm to go with bodies, just gunna get the cams in with standalone then it leaves me the option to go bodies or whatever later on

Toad · 5th October 2007, 12:01

OK, but you will lose out on the mapping cost. Still, I'm glad you are chosing standalone as opposed to re-map. Good lad.

samcook · 5th October 2007, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Toad

OK, but you will lose out on the mapping cost. Still, I'm glad you are chosing standalone as opposed to re-map. Good lad.

yeh always had my doubts about having it remapped as if something went wrong id have to have it mapped again

Toad · 5th October 2007, 13:10

That's another point... You have NO control over your engine management whatsoever. Once you have a standalone, you can do everything yourself. Get a laptop and the required software, then you can hire a RR for an hour or 2 and do your own tweaking.

samcook · 5th October 2007, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Toad

That's another point... You have NO control over your engine management whatsoever. Once you have a standalone, you can do everything yourself. Get a laptop and the required software, then you can hire a RR for an hour or 2 and do your own tweaking.

yeh good stuff

c8james · 5th October 2007, 13:20

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Originally Posted by samcook

yeh always had my doubts about having it remapped as if something went wrong id have to have it mapped again

As toad said, with a laptop for mapping. You would have a base map. From that you could then play on a rolling road to remap it. If you are not happy with results after mapping you just reload the base map and then start agian. Software is free down load from internet ie map 3000 ect. All you need is athe leed from laptop to ecu which agian is available from the internet or ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=009

samcook · 5th October 2007, 13:58

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Originally Posted by c8james

As toad said, with a laptop for mapping. You would have a base map. From that you could then play on a rolling road to remap it. If you are not happy with results after mapping you just reload the base map and then start agian. Software is free down load from internet ie map 3000 ect. All you need is athe leed from laptop to ecu which agian is available from the internet or ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=009

i was on about if i had standard ecu mapped and for any unknown reason the cam or summet had to come out id need to have it all setup and mapped again!

i know standalone can be adjusted on laptop been doing it with my mates type R

just need to find somewhere who can hardwire it in, which seems to be tricky lol as everyones sooo far away

samcook · 5th October 2007, 15:01

just been onto the guy at mechmotorsport for about half hour spoke quite alot of sense but he advised me to go for the omex unit as hes found technical problems in the software with the emerald and also prefers working with the omex.He will supply the omex ecu for £535+vat and around £300 for mapping need to call back on monday to speak to the guy who does the fitting of the wiring loom to get a price for that along with proce for fitting cams and cambelt!