Cammed 1.1?? - Page 6 - Saxperience

JamesR^m · 15th April 2010, 20:35

When will this end, i don't often laugh at things on here but i continue to chuckle at this thread.

Ashleyp · 15th April 2010, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

a car reving at 4k is not got as much bhp as when its at 6k, so einsteins u sayin its gona go down if you back it off to 7.5k?

Should have gone to school you stupid / deluded rubout

Peter_D · 15th April 2010, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep

What a fucking spastic

Toad · 15th April 2010, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

a car reving at 4k is not got as much bhp as when its at 6k, so einsteins u sayin its gona go down if you back it off to 7.5k?

Depends purely on the engine itself. They don't go on producing power forever in the RPM range.

Sophia_Bush · 15th April 2010, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashleyp

Should have gone to school you stupid / deluded rubout

more please ash!

Ryan^p · 15th April 2010, 20:38

Let me make this easy for you.

INCREASING THE REV LIMIT WILL NOT GIVE YOU MORE POWER IF THE CAM PROFILE IS MAKING PEAK POWER BELOW THE LIMIT ALLREADY

Ashleyp · 15th April 2010, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

more please ash!

I'm actually shocked that this scrub continues to argue with half of the forum...

can he not see how "special" he is

stinkycheese · 15th April 2010, 20:40

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction

Ashleyp · 15th April 2010, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkycheese

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction

he can't even spell

i doubt he can understand a graph lol.

couldnt have failed more if he tried

SaxSpeed · 15th April 2010, 20:41

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...M-after(1).jpg

Ryan^p · 15th April 2010, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkycheese

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction

Incase the big line dropping off isnt that clear

Mardgee · 15th April 2010, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep

I love you. Seriously made my day. By any chance do you work for halfords or Kwick fit?

Ryan^p · 15th April 2010, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...M-after(1).jpg

changing the MAP itself is totally different to just increasing the rev limiter, would you like to show me where the 'rpm' is on those graphs?

Notice that they BOTH tail off? or is that missed by you?

JamesR^m · 15th April 2010, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com...M-after(1).jpg

Sorry mate, i apologise on behalf of the members of this forum and myself for any distress we may have caused you, the two above links prove us all wrong. You are infact correct and we are all deaply sorry for doubting you, you are a automotive and tuning genious. NOT

Bickerton · 15th April 2010, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkycheese

Someone post a RR graph please

SaxSpeed · 15th April 2010, 20:48

Purpose

The rev limiter on a car is there to prevent over-reving, which will destroy the engine. Most gasoline cars designed for street use have a limiter somewhere around 6000-7000 RPM. In some cases, being able to rev the engine higher will yield slightly better performance, often at the cost of more engine wear.

When to remove the rev limiter
You should only worry about raising the rev limiter once you've done substantial work to the engine. My personal advice would be to have at least the full exhaust upgraded (including the exhaust manifold and downpipe), a sport camshaft and some way to get more fuel to the engine.
Once you install a sport camshaft you will want to raise the rev limiter so you can use the power the camshaft makes above 6000 RPM

found tht

SaxSpeed · 15th April 2010, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

changing the MAP itself is totally different to just increasing the rev limiter, would you like to show me where the 'rpm' is on those graphs?

Notice that they BOTH tail off? or is that missed by you?

they tail off because you come off the power :L fool

Ashleyp · 15th April 2010, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxSpeed

Purpose

The rev limiter on a car is there to prevent over-reving, which will destroy the engine. Most gasoline cars designed for street use have a limiter somewhere around 6000-7000 RPM. In some cases, being able to rev the engine higher will yield slightly better performance, often at the cost of more engine wear.

When to remove the rev limiter
You should only worry about raising the rev limiter once you've done substantial work to the engine. My personal advice would be to have at least the full exhaust upgraded (including the exhaust manifold and downpipe), a sport camshaft and some way to get more fuel to the engine.
Once you install a sport camshaft you will want to raise the rev limiter so you can use the power the camshaft makes above 6000 RPM

found tht

please explain why cars have peak power / torque which is lower than the rev limiter...

you google searching scrub

Ryan^p · 15th April 2010, 20:51

so you tune engines yet copy and paste from google?

As we keep saying, if the cam profile is making peak rpm at say 5.5k what good is an 8k limit and how is the car going to gain extra power after it has peaked at 5.5k? please explain

SaxSpeed · 15th April 2010, 20:51

if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder

So ur all sayin thats wrong :L