Losing weight from car (Which polycarb windows) - Page 6 - Saxperience

jsdvtr · 5th June 2010, 09:38

What sort of weight losing the pas pump and pipe, etc weight? Whats its like to drive with no pas?

maddison_vts · 5th June 2010, 11:53

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

What sort of weight losing the pas pump and pipe, etc weight? Whats its like to drive with no pas?

don't know about the weight, its fine driving with no pas, only annoying thing is when you're tired and trying to move the car at less than 1mph.

Saaamon · 6th June 2010, 02:36

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

don't know about the weight, its fine driving with no pas, only annoying thing is when you're tired and trying to move the car at less than 1mph.

Whats involved in getting rid? Is it just a case of a manual rack out of another saxo?

AndySAXO^p · 6th June 2010, 09:38

yer have the get an non pas rack for it, and change it over, as a PAS rack with not PAS pump it will be rubbish as it will basiclly fight with you, be very hard to drive it well round a track with a PAS rack and no PAS pump!

jsdvtr · 6th June 2010, 09:51

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

yer have the get an non pas rack for it, and change it over, as a PAS rack with not PAS pump it will be rubbish as it will basiclly fight with you, be very hard to drive it well round a track with a PAS rack and no PAS pump!

Have you driven saxo with no pas?

gavin_t · 6th June 2010, 09:58

Just read through this whole thread and found it very interesting.

Was planning on stripping the saxo this summer and keeping it for a "toy" but after reading I am not so sure if its worth it now though

However I was looking at getting a spare set of wheels and some toyo 888's or simular for track use and those C5 wheels could be ideal. Dont look bad either

QUOTE from rallye forum

fitted the C5 steels today , along with a new set of tyres

C5 wheels with tyres , 4 of 6J15 + 195/45/15 = 48Kg (brand new tyres)
VTS mk2 alloys , 4 of 6J15 + 195/45/15 = 60kg (bald toyos)
winter grip tyres , 4 of 5.5J14 + 165/65/14 = 45kg (almost new winter grips)
old steel wheel from spare with no tyre 8kg
new C5 alloy with no tyre 4.5kg

so basically i have just saved 12Kg from unsprung mass , ans 3.5kg from the spare wheel

Anyone got these that can comment on the brake preformance? ie do they get hotter quicker etc?
Also are standard vts mk2 alloys 6j too or are these narrower?

jsdvtr · 6th June 2010, 10:07

if you going to be using it hard i.e. on track you want something thats more open to let hot air out and give abit of cool air into them otherwise they will over heat more than should and will end up with brakes failing, etc depending on pads and fluid.
I went to croft last year and a evo had to come into pits because its breaks where smoking lol.

AndySAXO^p · 6th June 2010, 11:15

i driven a saxo with NON pas rack and it was good, i driven a saxo with a PAS rack with no pump and it was rubbish, it try fighting with you,

just taking the pump out is pointless as a PAS rack need the pump, as the fliud is in there and will be very very heavy, not the same as a NON PAS rack!

maddison_vts · 6th June 2010, 13:04

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

i driven a saxo with NON pas rack and it was good, i driven a saxo with a PAS rack with no pump and it was rubbish, it try fighting with you,

just taking the pump out is pointless as a PAS rack need the pump, as the fliud is in there and will be very very heavy, not the same as a NON PAS rack!

its not as bad as you are making out! once you're moving it won't be so difficult. i drove mine for ages with just the relay pulled out of pas to stop it working, all the fluid still in there etc. (reaso for this was it was slowly leaking out of the one of the pipes when being used so i just disconnected it until i got the new part) it was only difficult to move when parking at less than a couple of mph but as i said, it only pissed me off if i was tired!

jsdvtr · 6th June 2010, 13:11

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

i driven a saxo with NON pas rack and it was good, i driven a saxo with a PAS rack with no pump and it was rubbish, it try fighting with you,

just taking the pump out is pointless as a PAS rack need the pump, as the fliud is in there and will be very very heavy, not the same as a NON PAS rack!

Ye i know what you mean with fighting with it as that what mine does and really annoys me as it really makes the drive less enjoyable.

AndySAXO^p · 6th June 2010, 13:16

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

its not as bad as you are making out! once you're moving it won't be so difficult. i drove mine for ages with just the relay pulled out of pas to stop it working, all the fluid still in there etc. (reaso for this was it was slowly leaking out of the one of the pipes when being used so i just disconnected it until i got the new part) it was only difficult to move when parking at less than a couple of mph but as i said, it only pissed me off if i was tired!

you must of been luck, as when your trying to throw it in to corner fast it very hard to steer in well as it fights you as your fighting the pump too if it not working!!

but a NON PAS rack was good though, but i like having PAS on my car i just seem to get to work better with PAS than without, just how i like it.

gavin_t · 6th June 2010, 22:05

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

if you going to be using it hard i.e. on track you want something thats more open to let hot air out and give abit of cool air into them otherwise they will over heat more than should and will end up with brakes failing, etc depending on pads and fluid.
I went to croft last year and a evo had to come into pits because its breaks where smoking lol.

Ive currently got mk2 vts wheels and have thumped it around on many track days and its been fine and they arnt that much more vented

no special brakes either just a set of gti-6's

Lippy · 6th June 2010, 23:35

losing weight... I removed about 2kg's of mud and stones from inside my sideskirts!

You dont need it and its heavy... double bonus! Theres a piccy on my progress thread recently Il link it soon, pretty scary how much was in there

gavin_t · 7th June 2010, 21:36

funny you should say that I took the inner arch our of my CTR to change a sidelight bulb and was greated my a hell of alot of crap!

Will be interesting to see what the VTS has gathered over its 10 years and 100k lol

Lippy · 15th June 2010, 22:35

Oh... question for anyone who has seriously stripped their saxo!!!

In the drivers side rear wheel arch I think theres a pump and a bottle with screenwash in? fed from front tank for windscreen?
Has anyone removed this and what was involved? If im a mile away and its something to do with fuel filler please let me know!

(there is a pipe that comes through the bodywork upto the rubbers that go through inside the boot as far as I could feel) so might have drawn wrong conclusion)

Also wanted to know if anyone has removed the alarm brain and all the associated wiring?
If so did you remove the siren and the dash button that silences the alarm? Ive got a Cat 1 Sigma alarm so its surplus to requirement and I want it removed as redundant and also all the wires are cluttering up behind the dash, need the space poss...

jsdvtr · 19th June 2010, 19:46

Has anyone cut the underside of a mk2 bonnet but what about the front bit where grill fits into would be where the extra weight is over the mk1.

Mochachino · 20th June 2010, 15:35

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Has anyone cut the underside of a mk2 bonnet but what about the front bit where grill fits into would be where the extra weight is over the mk1.

I think its more than just that lil extra bit at the front, the weight difference is alot imo! Would be best just getting a fibreglass one for £120 or w/e they are.