Satchshift...

[Sandy309]

We've actually found gearbox damage to be reduced with Colin's linkage kits (bear in mind they've been in use for about ten years already, before he worked out this easier to fit kit). He's designed and developed it very carefully to ensure the gate movement would not increase the stress on the selectors and synchros; the increased feel helps markedly to improve the selection precision. I don't think it's something you can appreciate until you've tried it and the wide eyed enthusiasm of the people who've fitted them so far hopefully indicates what a dramatic difference it makes.

Aggressive drivers will break MA boxes whatever linkage is used, but more feel certainly helps sympathetic drivers to use the box more judiciously. How and when you feed the clutch/power in, inflicts the most damage in my experience.

[titchster]

Originally Posted by mark1311

yep i love my, had myn about 3weeks now, was 1st person on here with it i think ....

I know of someone on here who had it before you.

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

I was looking at that powershift stand at autosport. tbh i think it is a bit overrated. i mean it's clever, don't get me wrong, but the function that if you change down 2 gears but the rpm is too high so it wont let you, then when you brake and the rpm drop low enough it will change down those 2 gears. I think, well i know, this irritate a lot of drivers. as the system is changing when IT wants rather than when YOU want.

with gear tronics YOU set up what you want ,if you don,t want it fully auto,then don,t use that mode.
then you just hit the paddles and change down or up as many or as few as you like ,it still blips throttle on downchange+ engine cut to unload the the dogs and won,t allow selection with no clutch pressed ,unless it is within the rpm band you have set .
so no over-revving of engine or sudden lock up of wheels ever
you can use the clutch if you want and bang it down 5 gears as quick as it takes to say it -but when would you want to go down that many at once not very often ,so you only use the clutch really for starts .
it will take as much setting up as the engine ecu to get it perfect.
you don,t have to have paddle shift it can work with a gear lever as well ,justdifferent set-up

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by Sandy309

We've actually found gearbox damage to be reduced with Colin's linkage kits (bear in mind they've been in use for about ten years already, before he worked out this easier to fit kit). He's designed and developed it very carefully to ensure the gate movement would not increase the stress on the selectors and synchros; the increased feel helps markedly to improve the selection precision. I don't think it's something you can appreciate until you've tried it and the wide eyed enthusiasm of the people who've fitted them so far hopefully indicates what a dramatic difference it makes.

Aggressive drivers will break MA boxes whatever linkage is used, but more feel certainly helps sympathetic drivers to use the box more judiciously. How and when you feed the clutch/power in, inflicts the most damage in my experience.

no.no ,as i said I ,m only pointing out that fitting this does not suddenly turn it into a squential box and being a good driver is still a must to keep the box in one piece.
my feeling is having a little rubber,providing its not oil sodden+ old age degraded in it somewhere allows for the "off days/ red mist" of the driver

[Sandy309]

Nobody had suggested this kit would turn in into a sequential box and I think it's pretty common sense that you need to treat gearboxes with sympathy to make them last. The rubber bushes will not protect the box from ham fisted use and I think if you'd actually used the kit, you'd perhaps appreciate what a difference it makes and how much easier it is to FEEL the changes and selector/synchro action.

Feel free to develop your own kit with rubber bushes and see how much better it works!

[axsaxoman]

since when did the majority of forum users have much common sense,you only have to see how they complain tha the ma is a choclate g/box ,that they have no idea on hwo to drive cars

[Jungle]

I want one! that is all

[qrty]

Just had a parcel that looks like a hedge trimmer! I wonder what it could be!

[SaxSpeed]

so does this kit make it a forward upshift and a backwards downshift throughout the box with aid of the clutch, or does it keep the standerd gear pattern?

[Mathias]

standard pattern

[AndySAXOp]

saw one the other day, was with a BE box but look the part, and made the shift feel better,

and it some close the steering wheel so i think ill be investing in one soon

[tweeqd]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

since when did the majority of forum users have much common sense

great way to get more customers

[KamRacing]

but he is right to some extent regarding gearboxes. Most people do not understand how a sychromesh gearbox should be used and therefore internals are abused. I remember how at 18 I didnt really give a shit, and just wanted to change gear as fast as I possibly could.

[Gareth_R]

Instead of all just agreeing that people can't drive isn't it generally more helpful to say what they actually do wrong

[Tufty]

friend of mine has this fitted to his car, used it for two weeks and he has already complained with gearbox whine. Buy this at your own risk, great looking bit of kit, and it probably does save a tenth of a second changing gear, i guess when your "competing" on a public track day you need every tenth you can get....pffttt.

[AndySAXOp]

Also to remember though this is sold aim at track time not for use on the road every day.

[raunchz]

Originally Posted by Tufty

friend of mine has this fitted to his car, used it for two weeks and he has already complained with gearbox whine. Buy this at your own risk, great looking bit of kit, and it probably does save a tenth of a second changing gear, i guess when your "competing" on a public track day you need every tenth you can get....pffttt.

Gearbox whine would hint at diff bearings? Or some sort of bearing whine as opposed to synchro damage from changing gear using this shifter setup?

I think it's a great bit of kit but doesn't protect the gearbox synchros from 'aggressive' driving.

[Tufty]

Originally Posted by raunchz

Gearbox whine would hint at diff bearings? Or some sort of bearing whine as opposed to synchro damage from changing gear using this shifter setup?

I think it's a great bit of kit but doesn't protect the gearbox synchros from 'aggressive' driving.

yh, could be that mate, just its getting harder and harder for him to select gear which makes me think its the rings making to heavy (fast) contact whilst selecting.

It is a decent bit of kit and is purely for race as stated, so i suppose with race parts comes wear and tare a bit more sooner than other bits.

[Rossp]

I had (to my knowledge) the first BE kit from Sandy. It transforms the selection process completely. However, it IS less forgiving on the synchro's I think than the standard (even "quickshift) setups. I've just come back from the 'ring last month with a buggered 3rd gear synchro - almost positive this damage was down to being way down on power and me smashing it into every gear aggressively. I think the standard linkage may have been more forgiving, but I'd still rather have this. I just need to learn to be more sympathetic and let the car/boost do the work.

End result? My fault because of wank driving. Damage emphasized by uprated components being less forgiving.

[titchster]

Originally Posted by RossDagley

I had (to my knowledge) the first BE kit from Sandy.

I think Stu (slammed106) had the first one outside of race cars, since my understanding is, that it was after talking to him that they became commercial.