Turbo or Throttle Bodies, Pro's and Con's? Opinions.. - Page 9 - Saxperience

axsaxoman · 3rd February 2011, 10:36

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

I like the sound of throttlebodies and a lumpy cam.

i agree to a point --but the lumpy idle --no should not be if t/bodies ecu are set-up correctly

CarlosVT · 3rd February 2011, 10:50

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Originally Posted by adzvtr

Yes m8. If sourced parts and do alot of the build urself. U could turbo for around 2000. And have more power than bodies. Checkout the stickies about it on here. Plenty info in them

Sounds good mate. I really can't decide on which set up to go for now.. is turbo really that bad in killing clutches, gearboxes, etc?

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

i agree to a point --but the lumpy idle --no should not be if t/bodies ecu are set-up correctly

Whatever set up I go for I'll be getting GMC to remap my ecu, heard some good stuff about you guys

maddison_vts · 3rd February 2011, 12:32

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Originally Posted by RossDagley

Lol. You really need to go out in a quick saxo or 106. Most people don't laugh at my "shitty French hothatch" at all. Not in the slightest. They're generally on the blunt end of getting their ass handed to them.

A 400 bhp evo is NOT quick. Like I said - go out in a quick 106 and you'll see what all the fuss is about.

I've got a turbo'd vts so i'd say i have got a quick saxo

keep in mind, yours is 286 bhp. mine was 230bhp at 9.5psi i've since turned it up to 1 bar (14.7psi) and have a 50bhp shot of nitrous to hand on top of that if i want it so I'm pretty sure i know what a quick saxo/106 is.

and you're telling me a car that weighs 1200kg that has 420bhp and over 400 ft/lb torque isn't quick? Are you ok in the head?

and regardless, even if you get a 106 or saxo to match the performance of a tuned skyline, evo, supra can you honestly say you would rather be sat in a saxo/106? i know i can't.

I know bigger cars can be had, i often take the p!ss out of wrx imprezas but when i beat it i think, 'hang on, he's got an impreza that he paid £2k for. I've spent £££££££ more on a saxo, I'm sure if he knew that he wouldn't be remotely bothered and probably even laugh at me for doing it.'

this has turned into a pointless debate anyway,

YES, you can make a saxo/106 quick, I know from first hand experience.
HOWEVER, they are still sh1t cars, argue that as much as you want but it's true and the general public hate saxo/106 owners and laugh at them.

Ross^p · 3rd February 2011, 13:02

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

I've got a turbo'd vts so i'd say i have got a quick saxo

keep in mind, yours is 286 bhp. mine was 230bhp at 9.5psi i've since turned it up to 1 bar (14.7psi) and have a 50bhp shot of nitrous to hand on top of that if i want it so I'm pretty sure i know what a quick saxo/106 is.

and you're telling me a car that weighs 1200kg that has 420bhp and over 400 ft/lb torque isn't quick? Are you ok in the head?

and regardless, even if you get a 106 or saxo to match the performance of a tuned skyline, evo, supra can you honestly say you would rather be sat in a saxo/106? i know i can't.

I know bigger cars can be had, i often take the p!ss out of wrx imprezas but when i beat it i think, 'hang on, he's got an impreza that he paid £2k for. I've spent £££££££ more on a saxo, I'm sure if he knew that he wouldn't be remotely bothered and probably even laugh at me for doing it.'

this has turned into a pointless debate anyway,

YES, you can make a saxo/106 quick, I know from first hand experience.
HOWEVER, they are still sh1t cars, argue that as much as you want but it's true and the general public hate saxo/106 owners and laugh at them.

You've single handedly slowly turned this debate into a "saxos are shit" thread, when in fact it started as a question of ITB's or turbo as the OP wanted increased performance. The OP's questions have been answered

For the record mines not 286

It was when it was first mapped. I'm also sceptical of a lot of other dynos

As John will tell you, when the flag drops, the bullshit stops. It's why my "286 bhp" 106 is quicker than Titch's "330bhp" 106. Someone's telling porkies...

A 400bhp evo isn't especially quick. Sorry about that if you think it is. If your apparent (300bhp?) car can't rip a 400bhp evo a new one, then you've got a problem right there mate...

maddison_vts · 3rd February 2011, 13:15

i've stated facts, they are sh1t.

regardless of what you say, a 400bhp evo is a fast car.

LWS_71 · 3rd February 2011, 13:26

I think everyone puts abit too much emphasis on bhp figures anyway. For a start all dyno's read different anyway. If it drives smoothly and you feel it is fast and what you wanted from the setup then what does it matter about bhp figures.

At the end of the day supra/evo/scooby whatever they are all quick, but just because someone has a quicker car that does not make them slow.

Anyway I feel sorry for the OP that his thread has been hijacked by silly arguments.
t/b's are awesome, sound sweet and give good power gains.
Turbos are awesome sound good, in most cases cost more but generally will be faster when 'on boost'.

If it was me I would go for a low boost setup for the time being then atleast in the future you can upgrade for more power.
With bodies you can get to 150-170bhp but if you wanted to upgrade in the future it would cost alot of money for anymore power.

Hope all of that makes sence and helps you out a little.

Ross^p · 3rd February 2011, 13:52

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Originally Posted by LWS_71

I think everyone puts abit too much emphasis on bhp figures anyway. For a start all dyno's read different anyway. If it drives smoothly and you feel it is fast and what you wanted from the setup then what does it matter about bhp figures.

At the end of the day supra/evo/scooby whatever they are all quick, but just because someone has a quicker car that does not make them slow.

Anyway I feel sorry for the OP that his thread has been hijacked by silly arguments.
t/b's are awesome, sound sweet and give good power gains.
Turbos are awesome sound good, in most cases cost more but generally will be faster when 'on boost'.

If it was me I would go for a low boost setup for the time being then atleast in the future you can upgrade for more power.
With bodies you can get to 150-170bhp but if you wanted to upgrade in the future it would cost alot of money for anymore power.

Hope all of that makes sence and helps you out a little.

+1 - lets bring this back on topic

200bhp in a saxo is always gonna be a fun car to drive. Low boost, decomp in some way, cheap turbo. Bosh. A lot of grin for not a lot of readies. Get started, OP

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 13:59

I say sort your suspension, brakes out first and then go from there...

Sometimes i can barely handle having 120bhp in my car (i really need to get it dyno'd)
and it can get me in trouble VERY quickly. Only have to press the pedal for a few seconds and im already doing over the speed limit on the road.

Maybe the best idea would be to get a few passenger rides of people's cars on here?
That way you can decide what you like best.

CarlosVT · 3rd February 2011, 18:10

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Originally Posted by LWS_71

Anyway I feel sorry for the OP that his thread has been hijacked by silly arguments.
t/b's are awesome, sound sweet and give good power gains.
Turbos are awesome sound good, in most cases cost more but generally will be faster when 'on boost'.

If it was me I would go for a low boost setup for the time being then atleast in the future you can upgrade for more power.
With bodies you can get to 150-170bhp but if you wanted to upgrade in the future it would cost alot of money for anymore power.

Hope all of that makes sence and helps you out a little.

Thank you for the input mate. Makes sense what you said about being able to upgrade for more power in the future. I think I'll definitely go for a low boost set up

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

I say sort your suspension, brakes out first and then go from there...

Sometimes i can barely handle having 120bhp in my car (i really need to get it dyno'd)
and it can get me in trouble VERY quickly. Only have to press the pedal for a few seconds and im already doing over the speed limit on the road.

Maybe the best idea would be to get a few passenger rides of people's cars on here?
That way you can decide what you like best.

That's my plan mate. Will get the suspension and brakes sorted out first then go from there.

I know what you mean about getting in trouble very quickly, I had the same issue with my black vts.

Sounds like a good idea getting a few passenger rides in people's cars but I don't really know anyone around my area with a bodies or boost set up

Thanks for your input!

luthor1 · 3rd February 2011, 18:15

Throttle bodies idle beautifully! It's the stock naff intake system that is a PITA on idle

Andy

KamRacing · 3rd February 2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

i agree to a point --but the lumpy idle --no should not be if t/bodies ecu are set-up correctly

I dont know how to describe it, but a race cam always sounds a bit special, like its held back and needs to be unleashed

Ryan^p · 3rd February 2011, 18:26

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

I dont know how to describe it, but a race cam always sounds a bit special, like its held back and needs to be unleashed

chug chug chug.

Jungle · 3rd February 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

I dont know how to describe it, but a race cam always sounds a bit special, like its held back and needs to be unleashed

race cams on idle actually give me a semi

adamskiTNR · 3rd February 2011, 18:47

enough with the verbal descriptions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-96...eature=related

danny-boi · 3rd February 2011, 18:54

prefer super charged

i like to feel the power straight away with the acceleration and also like to keep the speed up round corners

sliderz · 3rd February 2011, 19:01

and the moral to this story is get a Bugatti Veyron

axsaxoman · 3rd February 2011, 21:07

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

I dont know how to describe it, but a race cam always sounds a bit special, like its held back and needs to be unleashed

does not have to sound like that,even with full race cams ,but it would have to run richer than mot spec on full race cams to get it to run smoothly.
customers choice .
I understand what you are saying though
admit it you really have a hankering for an old mustang mach1 or some other big v8 yank tank

hard_corejoeboy · 3rd February 2011, 21:46

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Originally Posted by luthor1

Throttle bodies idle beautifully! It's the stock naff intake system that is a PITA on idle

Andy

Find me some and some money Andy!

chriswoodward · 4th February 2011, 01:46

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

i've stated facts, they are sh1t.

regardless of what you say, a 400bhp evo is a fast car.

Ive read this from start to finish and I have to say I want to twat you one right now, I don't even own a Saxo anymore so I'm not being bias they are good cars they generally put a smile on your face and have some character unlike most jap crap, so go back to your fantasy pretending your in Fast&Furious and stop slagging saxo's off on a Saxo forum you mug.

Back on topic: it doesn't really sound like u have thought this through very well, neither build can be done effectively at low cost and neither builds are for the feint hearted, personally I would go with bodies as the sound, gains and monetary outlay I think would be more suitable for you and less hassle.

CarlosVT · 4th February 2011, 14:36

I never said I'm planning to do it at 'low cost' I just said I want good power, not looking for silly amounts.. I also said that I'm looking to spend about 2k - 2.5k which is enough for a low boost set up as I have done some research now and it sounds about right.

I think I'll go for boost as I'll be able to upgrade for more power later on if I wanted to. I could upgrade with bodies but it would end up costing a lot more.

Thanks for the input