Turbo, Carbs, Throttle Bodies, Boost???

[logic_guy]

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

This

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...body-kits.html

plus this

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...s-1321708.html

plus a predator ecu

=fun!

What sort of torque/ bhp?

[hard_corejoeboy]

My old car made 140bhp with just a kam exhaust and bmc cda and predator so i'd hope for 160bhp at least with all that.

160bhp would make it quicker than clio 182/type r etc

For under £2000 but i would seriously recommend changing brakes and suspension

[logic_guy]

I'm in a sticky hole atm. Debating weather to get rid of the R and get a S. Or get a S engine and put it in the R (It would be much easier doing the cams and what ever performance modification i plan to do, but i risk having a duff engine). That's nothing to do with this though to this thread though.

What ever i choose, i will be having B8's all round and some big, breaks before i do anything.

Thanks

[Ryanp]

Originally Posted by adzvtr

throttlebodies make a nice sound, boost makes you go quicker.

Throttle bodies give better throttle response/improvements in midrange and drivability without destroying the MA box each week

The main thing people ignore with bodies is the cam profile, a shit cam is always a shit cam profile.

[scot-ish]

Originally Posted by Mieran

they are called forced induction because they make 'air' and push it through your throttle bodie, while the standard engine sucks in air from the air filter

they just make air? what from nowhere like? dont you think they also suck in air from an air filter ? or does it just get made out of nowhere?

they compress air, so there is more air per m3 than with NA, hence the term "boost" meaning pressurised.

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Oh you forgot one thing. Brakes and tyres and suspension and tuition this will give you more 'power' than any turbo conversion.

With this you can beat BMW M3's with 140bhp even without knowing the track and taking the wrong line

unless the m3 driver is absolute gash, then a 140bhp saxo, at standard weight, would be nowhere near a standard m3 around a track.

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

This

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...body-kits.html

plus this

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...s-1321708.html

plus a predator ecu

=fun!

or you could save money and do this
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_573.html

and use these cams
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_614.html
+ your predator or someother stand alone ecu

[adzvtr]

been running boost for a fair few months now with some track abuse and my ma box is fine, aslong as ur considerate to the box there nt to bad, bad drivers give them a bad name.

also my throttle response is absolutly fine and mid range is mental
plus with 200+bhp its still very driveable everyday even in taffic,

i wander if that can be said for an na tuned to 200+

[hard_corejoeboy]

Originally Posted by scot-ish

they just make air? what from nowhere like? dont you think they also suck in air from an air filter ? or does it just get made out of nowhere?

they compress air, so there is more air per m3 than with NA, hence the term "boost" meaning pressurised.



unless the m3 driver is absolute gash, then a 140bhp saxo, at standard weight, would be nowhere near a standard m3 around a track.

Yes you have just proved my point exactly power doesn't matter at all its how you use it and how good you are at using it. That was exactly the point i was trying to make. Getting some tuition and practice is better than an engine conversion etc

[toxic]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

or you could save money and do this
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_573.html

and use these cams
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_614.html
+ your predator or someother stand alone ecu

are they as good as catcams 708 i am looking to go this way with my engine

[hard_corejoeboy]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

or you could save money and do this
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_573.html

and use these cams
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_614.html
+ your predator or someother stand alone ecu

So for a smidge over £1500 you could have an awesome 170bhp engine?

nice!

[Ryanp]

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

So for a smidge over £1500 you could have an awesome 170bhp engine?

nice!

Can do it cheaper if using the sandy brown/Colin satchel tb set up.

[blackie_2k5]

my vtr has 218bhp....and had 4 or 5 months of hard driving, VIA a turbo

and my box isnt gone yet, and its on 98k miles

[toxic]

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

my vtr has 218bhp....and had 4 or 5 months of hard driving, VIA a turbo

and my box isnt gone yet, and its on 98k miles

were did you get your turbo kit from m8

[Ryanp]

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

my vtr has 218bhp....and had 4 or 5 months of hard driving, VIA a turbo

and my box isnt gone yet, and its on 98k miles

Torque kills boxes, it's why alot of boosted owners have had box issues (and thus switched to be).

But then 200 bhp isn't along compared to some of the nutters like Dean lol.

As with everything there's positives and negatives + prices etc... It's just not true when boosted owners try and claim bodies don't make a car go faster.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Personally i'd remove the brakes as they slow you down

[blackie_2k5]

Originally Posted by toxic

were did you get your turbo kit from m8

ireland for bits, specced rest up myself

Originally Posted by Ryan

Torque kills boxes, it's why alot of boosted owners have had box issues (and thus switched to be).

But then 200 bhp isn't along compared to some of the nutters like Dean lol.

As with everything there's positives and negatives + prices etc... It's just not true when boosted owners try and claim bodies don't make a car go faster.

bodies do.. but to get to 200bhp in bodied saxo your looking at a FUCK load of money

my car currently has 230lbft of torque, the box will go, but for now its holding up fine, i was just making a point that they dont go all that often

[hard_corejoeboy]

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

ireland for bits, specced rest up myself




bodies do.. but to get to 200bhp in bodied saxo your looking at a FUCK load of money

my car currently has 230lbft of torque, the box will go, but for now its holding up fine, i was just making a point that they dont go all that often

Most people don't need over 200 bhp in a saxo. Hell the stock hatch boys had the same pace at brands as a 700bhp supra when i was there!

[Ryanp]

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

bodies do.. but to get to 200bhp in bodied saxo your looking at a FUCK load of money
:

prices are changing alot and really only now are we seeing such good knowledge of the engines.

You can get 200 bhp without going rods and solids too (qep had some interesting results on the dyno when developing an engine).

Both give you two totally differently performing cars, some prefer the more linear power delivery and throttle response, others like a big turbo kicking in. Neither is better than the other over all and the engine spec is to fit to individuals specific needs/driving habits.

[blackie_2k5]

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Most people don't need over 200 bhp in a saxo. Hell the stock hatch boys had the same pace at brands as a 700bhp supra when i was there!

some ppl do

and just becuase the supra owner/couldnt or wouldnt put the power down, it doesnt meant he stock hatch boys have the upper hand, you dont know how the supra driver was driving, for all you know it could have been owners wife learing the car on track

probably wasnt, but again these arguement about one car raping another, you dont know this without speaking/seein both cars being driven at their limit

Originally Posted by Ryan

prices are changing alot and really only now are we seeing such good knowledge of the engines.

You can get 200 bhp without going rods and solids too (qep had some interesting results on the dyno when developing an engine).

Both give you two totally differently performing cars, some prefer the more linear power delivery and throttle response, others like a big turbo kicking in. Neither is better than the other over all and the engine spec is to fit to individuals specific needs/driving habits.

yeah there's alot more knowledge in the public's hands now, good news for us really, i have nothing against bodied cars, love the sound, i just like boost lol,


as said, 2 very diff cars, id like nothing more then 2 have one of each, the driving experience even at similar power ratios is MASSIVLEY different, but for now i can only afford one

so turbo for me

just need a diff'd box now

[Ryanp]

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

yeah there's alot more knowledge in the public's hands now, good news for us really, i have nothing against bodied cars, love the sound, i just like boost lol,


as said, 2 very diff cars, id like nothing more then 2 have one of each, the driving experience even at similar power ratios is MASSIVLEY different, but for now i can only afford one

so turbo for me

just need a diff'd box now

The knowledge is great, to think when mine was made (about 6 years ago) it was crazy spec and not done by anyone really (bic still hadn't had his new engine) now we know alot more about getting power and have much better cam profiles available, there's some great engines out there now built on a budget, it just pains me when I see all the boost brigade pretty much slating na espec when people are thinking about going that route, people tend to ignore not everyone is after bragging rights from dynos at the pub.