Curious And Bored!! - Page 3 - Saxperience

Yates · 28th June 2006, 16:04

Dont start being stupid Ad! This is a serious and good thread to read! No sarcasm. Just interested as i dont know much about engines. If you had cams and all that, would it be worth having an induction kit, as it doesnt really add much power if any at all

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 16:11

my apoligies yatesy - there was some sense in the previous post somewhere

I know very little about it too, i just understand the principles of engines, material sciences and fluid flows. so it does come to some use in this likkle forum

The induction kit would allow better flow through less pressure along the intake (thus more air). but benefits on our type of engines are hardly noticable.
enclosed rather than cold air feed or open will offer some performance enhancements. whereas as an open or open with a cold air feed is likely not to.

However when you start adding bigger mods for instance... cams, turbos, that sort of thing the less restricted flow offered by an induction kit begins to make sense.

Andyt · 28th June 2006, 16:21

You won't need an induction kit if you are going super or turbocharged, remember the "charged air" usually goes throught the cooler before entering the cylinders.

Yates · 28th June 2006, 16:23

No apology required!

Just curious to know what some people would do, i mean if you have 3k or somethin to put into a vts engine what would you do?

Ratty · 28th June 2006, 16:46

ha ha at neons. adsayer you work with metals or a chemist or something?

bottom ends on saxos are fine for power, on charged cars its only the pistons that go and thats because of the heat, if you treated the tops of the pistons id dare say they would last, but with forgies and correct fueling they bottom end is indestructable.

Yates · 28th June 2006, 16:59

Ratty, just the man, could you help me?

Just wondering what would be the best way to mod an engine from standard? Dont really know much about this, and if you have a clue on prices for each one that could help please. Not interested in turbo/sc tho

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Ratty

ha ha at neons. adsayer you work with metals or a chemist or something?

No dude - I'm doing a Masters in Aerospace Engineering so I tend to learn about...

Material Science
Structures
Thermodynamics
Fluid Dynamics
that sort of shite.
to name a few

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyt84

You won't need an induction kit if you are going super or turbocharged, remember the "charged air" usually goes throught the cooler before entering the cylinders.

True, but the filter is a rather largish restriction in the flow of air into the engine. It goes without saying that the air should go through an intercooler in order to maximise the benefits offered by a turbo.

Turbos spin at some truely daft rpm's (around 140,000 rpm - my father reckons there is some 200,000rpm turbos around but they arent commericial products). They can get proper hot which will heat any air passing through it - hot air bad excetera excetera...

Barry123 · 28th June 2006, 17:09

Would anyone object to a Thread about 'the ultimate dream saxo' in terms of pure performance? And keeping it realistic so only using available parts, I can keep the front page updated based on peoples arguements for and against.

yes?

Scott^p · 28th June 2006, 17:18

Matt for an answer need to know a budget, what are you looking for? Is it going to be a daily driver? Kept off road etc...

So many ways to mod the engine but if you have an end goal of turbo/supercharger then no point adding mega cams just now as it will negate some of the turbo/supercharger with them

Ratty · 28th June 2006, 18:12

air filter is very important on turbo and on a na car as well actually, as the air the turbo produces is sucked from the intake on the turbo so you need to route it so it gets cold air and also so the filter isnt a restrictive type as if it cannot get enough airflow it will starve the turbo.

Yates · 28th June 2006, 19:18

Well say if you had 2/3k to spend on the engine Scott.

Kind of a daily driver! Just thinking i could play with the engine and use the money i save up when im away at sea, but i would drive it when im back, but i would like to take it on track and that

mike_vts · 28th June 2006, 19:46

found this a while ago
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/705781

mike_vts · 28th June 2006, 19:48

over 400 with nos

mike_vts · 28th June 2006, 19:50

lol read it wrong thats torgue still i wouldnt grumble havin that much power

WestyVTR · 29th June 2006, 08:14

If i remember rightly that car runs on Aviation fuel....!

its mental!!

Scott^p · 29th June 2006, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by yate5y

Well say if you had 2/3k to spend on the engine Scott.

Kind of a daily driver! Just thinking i could play with the engine and use the money i save up when im away at sea, but i would drive it when im back, but i would like to take it on track and that

Ok, basic turbo at carworx is 3k ish, throttle bodies and a wild cam are also an option for that kind of money.

WestyVTR · 29th June 2006, 10:30

IMO Tbs would be better for day to day running too....

Yates · 29th June 2006, 13:08

I dont really want to think about a turbo...YET!

I like the idea of TB's

Im thinking (bare in mind i dont have a clue!):

Enclosed Filter
Polished Head (what does this do? is it worth it?)
Forged Pistons (same as above!)
Manifold
Exhaust Decat
Cams
TB's
Remap

Would you do it in that order? What order would you do it in?
If i were to take it to a place like Carworx, could they do most of those mods at the same time? Would that be advisable? Or would you just go for one or two at a time? Is there anything ive missed off the list that you would consider?

Yates · 29th June 2006, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

Would anyone object to a Thread about 'the ultimate dream saxo' in terms of pure performance? And keeping it realistic so only using available parts, I can keep the front page updated based on peoples arguements for and against.

yes?

Do it add, more people in here, the more i can pick up and learn about engine and mods!

Scott^p · 29th June 2006, 13:24

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Originally Posted by yate5y

Enclosed Filter
Manifold
Exhaust Decat
Cams
Remap

Thats the start point for you. BUT if you want TB's then get it all done at the same time. IF your wanting to go with the TB's then standalone management is necessary, desirable would be wild cams, forged high compression pistons. Larger valve head would be good to but starts to get expensive.

Having the cams, exhaust, filter, manifold and remap should see you at 150ish at the fly. If you are serious about TB's though its best to have a plan before you start as you could save some money along the way instead of repeating things