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8th May 2012, 22:21
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Uppingham, Rutland
Posts: 9,569
Car(s): mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
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got my 16v dyno'd today at northampton motorsport:
Jenvey throttle bodies,
catcam 708's,
predator ecu,
ashley 4-2-1,
supersprint race tube,
piper back box
15.8% tranmission loss
155bhp
131whp
Last edited by jeffchiz; 8th May 2012 at 22:29.
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9th May 2012, 19:25
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#42
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 7,779
Car(s): Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffchiz
got my 16v dyno'd today at northampton motorsport:
Jenvey throttle bodies,
catcam 708's,
predator ecu,
ashley 4-2-1,
supersprint race tube,
piper back box
15.8% tranmission loss
155bhp
131whp
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Jeff should that not be a lot higher?
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9th May 2012, 20:22
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#43
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Someones Bumhole
Posts: 5,721
Car(s): Mk2 16v Desire
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MuZiZZle
Jeff should that not be a lot higher?
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not really on this RR general figures with this spec are between 155-160
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9th May 2012, 20:30
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#44
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Uppingham, Rutland
Posts: 9,569
Car(s): mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MuZiZZle
Jeff should that not be a lot higher?
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As tom said that's what I was expecting, highest I've seen dyno'd at nms on fast road cams is 167bhp with ph3's and atpower bodies, if I went chipwizards I'm sure I'd get a prinout of 180 lol
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9th May 2012, 20:35
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#45
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp
Posts: 14,064
Car(s): Audi
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 stock ATW! looking for the next run at 111.63atw.
now ive got a full system, intake and powercommander v im hoping to get a few more on her next run.
hurry up sun so i can get back out!
not had a car on the rollers before, so really looking forward to getting my leons before and after once P-Torque have had a play with her.
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9th May 2012, 21:14
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#46
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 7,779
Car(s): Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffchiz
As tom said that's what I was expecting, highest I've seen dyno'd at nms on fast road cams is 167bhp with ph3's and atpower bodies, if I went chipwizards I'm sure I'd get a prinout of 180 lol
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Ahhh, I'm Cammed and unmapped at 141, I was expecting another 10 from a map
Maybe not
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9th May 2012, 21:27
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#47
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Tonbridge United Kingdom (England)
Posts: 38,236
Car(s): Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MuZiZZle
Ahhh, I'm Cammed and unmapped at 141, I was expecting another 10 from a map
Maybe not
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The map will improve fuel efficiency, reduce the chances of engine failure from incorrect fuelling massively. A good map will see improvements over a bad map but you still are limited by things like the cam profile/valve size etc...
Although as said put it on chip wizards and you will probably see it at 160 bang on.
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9th May 2012, 21:28
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#48
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Tonbridge United Kingdom (England)
Posts: 38,236
Car(s): Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
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Jeff also quick one as something I've been discussing with a few people recently, what fuel did you map it on? 95/98?
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9th May 2012, 21:32
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#49
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Someones Bumhole
Posts: 5,721
Car(s): Mk2 16v Desire
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MuZiZZle
Ahhh, I'm Cammed and unmapped at 141, I was expecting another 10 from a map
Maybe not
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Standard ECU? after my map at RS tuning i made somthing like 1.6bhp extra but as ryan says most of the advantages of the map are everything else that is done not the end number. Sam made 4hp after the map and the one that was on there originally was terrible.
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9th May 2012, 21:33
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#50
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Someones Bumhole
Posts: 5,721
Car(s): Mk2 16v Desire
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Jeff also quick one as something I've been discussing with a few people recently, what fuel did you map it on? 95/98?
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It was mapped on 95 matey
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10th May 2012, 12:27
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#51
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Established Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: leicester
Posts: 1,446
Car(s): Clio 182 Inferno
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23rd May 2012, 13:50
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#52
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L-plater
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lisbon-Portugal
Posts: 34
Car(s): Citroen Saxo 1.6 16V
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My boosted portuguese VTS.
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23rd May 2012, 14:17
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#53
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L-plater
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lisbon-Portugal
Posts: 34
Car(s): Citroen Saxo 1.6 16V
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bcup
My boosted portuguese VTS.
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With Andy's Predator ECU.
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10th July 2012, 11:43
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#54
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Established Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth
Posts: 2,373
Car(s): 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament
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TU5J2 1.6 Rallye Engine (Unknown miles)
Recon head
S1 Inlet
Stock mk2 VTR exhaust incl. silencer
Raceland 421
K&N open cone
1.3 ECU with 1.6 EPROM, stock map
With a quick map on the piggyback it nudged just over 110, but took a hit on midrange torque.
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19th July 2012, 08:55
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#55
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cambridge(ish), UK.
Posts: 10,581
Car(s): BMW 5x M50d.
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I'll play.
June 2011 (GT30) - 403bhp.
Would have made a lot more but we didn't know we were breaking valves due to a cam fuckup whilst mapping...
Sept 2011: (GT28) - 338bhp.
Outflowing the GT28 at the top end so boost trails off. Graph shows 2871 would be more suited at this point, but still made 330+bhp @ 18psi. But look at that torque curve. About as perfect as they come...
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23rd July 2012, 19:52
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#56
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cambridge(ish), UK.
Posts: 10,581
Car(s): BMW 5x M50d.
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Just found this old dyno graph of my Renault 5. Sob - miss this car! Don't see any pen drawn dyno graphs anymore! Showing my age here...
193.2bhp atw.
Last edited by Ross; 23rd July 2012 at 20:16.
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23rd July 2012, 20:11
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#57
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Staffs
Posts: 3,778
Car(s): 207 HDi GT
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Original VTR 8v........ 107.2 bhp
BMC air filter
Supersprint Manifold
Superspint silenced centre
Piper backbox
Then 16v conversion....... 141.5 bhp
Kent PT50 cams (std ecu map)
BMC air filter
Raceland Manifold
Superspint race centre
Kamracing V1/Piper backbox
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23rd July 2012, 20:14
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#58
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cambridge(ish), UK.
Posts: 10,581
Car(s): BMW 5x M50d.
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That's wank Simon. Should be 196hp that vtr 
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6th August 2012, 21:11
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#59
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Midlandzzz
Posts: 1,613
Car(s): The 'S
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VTS
86k miles
Supersprint 4-2-1
Supersprint race centre section
Piper Backbox
K&N GenII induction
Ran on standard tesco fuel (apparently makes a difference  )
VTS Power Graph by RyanSmithyyyy, on Flickr
Shame I never thought to ask for wheel figures 
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7th August 2012, 14:05
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#60
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cambridge(ish), UK.
Posts: 10,581
Car(s): BMW 5x M50d.
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Good solid figure that. 
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