orion setup PROBLEMS - Saxperience

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 01:52

defintly got a buyer for my old sound sytem now. rather then digging the old thread up thought id make a newer one. COONPER your the man who knows more about this stuff id assume.any other help off anyone would still be appreciated.

not reallly looking to spend over 600 on a sub and amp really. heres a few amps and subs i have looked at . tell me if there major. im lloking for serious bass.

i will be upgrading to a major power battery my dc man can get hodl of.
will i neeed to uprate the alternator to a higher amp? hope not

SUBS

1. orion 15inch hcca dual 2ohm subwoofer (2000rms)
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro...s_id/5820.html

2. DC sound lab 12'' subwoofer (1000 - 1500rms) level 4
www.dcsoundlab.com

AMPS

1. Hifonics BXI 2407D 2400W RMS
http://www.bassjunkies.com/?pid=3323...ce=subcategory

will this hifonics amp power any of the above subs to the fullest? thinkin off the orion setup

2. sundown audio saz 1500d amp. (1500rms 1ohm)

3. hcca d5000 orion amp
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro...s_id/3686.html

like an essay up there lol

. also coonper you mentioned that you saw an re xx setup (sub and amp) for sale on a website. if you find any other deals like that could you please let me knwo mate. has to powerful!! lol

will get all the boxes made correctly and i will use them orion 6.5 components you directed me to in th eother thread

cheers

Coonper · 3rd July 2008, 08:31

Hi mate,

That orion sub would be an absoloute animal in a good box! Im telling you, it would probably have the power to smash your windscreen in, or blow out your sunfroof!

I would power it from the hifonics amp, due to it being £100 cheaper and 400rms more than the orion, even though the orion is more efficient and better built, i couldnt justify spending the extra £100 on it.

There is currently a guy on www.talkaudio.com selling an RE xxx 15! Its brand new, and he wants £250. This would quite literally piss on the hcca, and it will also be more listenable too! Another guy on there is selling an RE MX 15, which is also a high end SPL sub, and he wants £150! Either of them will run fine of 2-2.5 kw rms, and both will give you an unruly amount of bass!

With regards to alternator, it would be worth uprating it, as the standard is only about 60-70amps iirc, but it might not be totally necessary, as long as you have a good main battery (yellow/red top), 0 gauge cabling, and a second battery in the boot.

If it was my choice i would go for the RE xxx 15! These really are the ultimate when it comes to SPL!

You are willing to give up your whole boot though arent you?? Cus you're gonna need atleast 4cuft i'd say!

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 09:45

I would have to agree with Coonper the RE xxx 15 is the nutz when it comes to SPL. Also don't rule out the Image Dynamics iDMax12 D4 v3. Also Rockford Fosgate amps are going pretty cheap on eBay.com if you want to get one imported.

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 14:13

hello guys ive just brought a 15 inch hcca orion subwoofer dual 2ohms and the orion d5000 (2500rms) amp all for 500. im liking the price of that. at least its all matching

and yes not taking my seats out but will get a box built to clear out all the boot space/ ported and tuned to 32hz.

it is going to be powered to the full 2500 rms and 1ohms. oviously have to wear it in lol.

are those orion door speakers enought for the treble? just the 2 i mean. and will it fit in the door speaker part. and would any cheap amp do? even a low powered loudest amp. as its only for them to little speakers. but are they loud?

will rep you soon mate lol.so dont woory!

ps havent got a sunroof

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 14:15

Are you on about Orion HCCA comps for the front doors if so I have heard they are very good for the price.

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 14:29

yesmate the 6.2 ones. there on here

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/orio...868a0e795361b0

you reckon theyll be just enough treble to keep up with the subwoofer at full power. im not really botherd about sq just spl but as long as i can here the words when i sit inside lol. will they fit in the doors?

Coonper · 3rd July 2008, 14:46

Those comps will be easily loud enough mate! but you do know you will need to make up some pods for them!

And NO! A loudest amp will not power them correctly at all! you will end up clipping the hell out of them and blowing them. Best off to buy a 2 channel amp which will put out about 100-120rms per channel. They will go extremely loud then! More than your ears will take!

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 15:05

damnit! no point in buyign them then. is there anything else. i know 6x9's are a no no. what small amp have u got to recomend mate,nothing expensuve though mate

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:25

Well the speakers are £99 how much you got left to spend and I'll have a look around.

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:27

Saxo's take a 5.25" speaker in the front so pods will be needed as mentioned before.

Coonper · 3rd July 2008, 15:27

Well you want some 5.25" comps. Go on ebay and look for the JBL 507C comps. These go loud if you feed them enough power! I used to have them, so i know!

Power them from this...

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audi...2141f1be48bdef

Granted its not the best amp out there, but for £60 you ent gonna get anything more powerfull!! 2x100rms is not to be laughed at!

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:33

If you don't like the FLI amp then the 2 underneath will do the job on the JBL's if thats what your getting.

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/pro...nnel-amps.html

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:35

These are also good. My mate got a set recently.

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pion...ci-p-6555.html

Coonper · 3rd July 2008, 15:36

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Originally Posted by VTS_86

These are also good. My mate got a set recently.

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pion...ci-p-6555.html

Think theyre a bit expensive for him tbh!

You can get the JBL 507c for about £40 posted on fleabay!

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 15:37

cheers coonper and vts. just searhced them up 55rms

.u said these are loooud. will they keep up with the bass though mate. and are they long lasting and good quality. so im lookin around 120 for the comps and he amp.aint to bad considering the orions were that much on there own. so wil these be a str8 fitment in the saxo then.

when i comes to wiring them up will i need to not conect the jbl speaker to the soor but get a seperate set of wires from the amp into the door card goin to that speaker right? bridged intot he same channel both speakers. dont have a clue on wiring them up thats all.

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Coonper

Think theyre a bit expensive for him tbh!

You can get the JBL 507c for about £40 posted on fleabay!

Thats cheap for the JBL comps. I only suggested the Pioneer considering he was looking at the HCCA comps for £99.

VTS_86 · 3rd July 2008, 15:39

Where are you going to be mounting the tweeters.

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 15:40

yh thanks mate.just lookin still at the minute. defo got the sub and amp though. all links are welcome.ill check em all out. as long as there good

saxo_bigbass · 3rd July 2008, 15:41

shite forgot about them lol. might just slap them on the side of the dash board? ro if anyoen can recomned me on how to put them as well lol. never ever used comps beofre!

Coonper · 3rd July 2008, 15:42

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Originally Posted by saxo_bigbass

cheers coonper and vts. just searhced them up 55rms

.u said these are loooud. will they keep up with the bass though mate. and are they long lasting and good quality. so im lookin around 120 for the comps and he amp.aint to bad considering the orions were that much on there own. so wil these be a str8 fitment in the saxo then.

when i comes to wiring them up will i need to not conect the jbl speaker to the soor but get a seperate set of wires from the amp into the door card goin to that speaker right? bridged intot he same channel both speakers. dont have a clue on wiring them up thats all.

They will take 100rms all day! I had 120rms into each one and theyre still going strong now!

They are also very clear at high volumes, and you would have to step out the car before they distorted or it just simply hurts too much!

They are a straight swap for the standards, other than the tweeter obviously!

WIth the wiring, just run your own cable from the amp to the doors. They are simple to connect up mate! The crossover literally tells you where to put what!

And no, you dont bridge the amp and run the from one channel as they would be in mono, and the amp probably would take the resistance. One speaker per channel ftw!