Saxo engine in a kit car (Gearbox question) - Saxperience

sri_130 · 10th October 2016, 12:34

Hello.
I have amassed a couple of spare engines and ECU + other ancillaries over the years. Me and my old man are discussing how to use them.

We're in the running (hopefully) for a Bond Equipe GT - which is a lovely little old thing. It has no running gear.

The equipe is rear wheel drive and it presents an issue using the standard VTS box obviously. I had suggested mating another gearbox on there, using some form of adapter plate. Then a rumour appeared that the 16v engine would mate easily to some hillman(?) gearbox... I'm not sure where or how I heard that, or if it is true.

Has anyone had any experience of matching a gearbox to the 16v to run in RWD?

Phaeton · 10th October 2016, 13:49

Interesting concept, never heard of anybody making one RWD but not been around them too long, but there are 2 logical ways of doing it. Nobody will make an adapter plate or I suspect that nobody will, so you will have to find a suitable gearbox & have one made, often the problem doing this is finding a box with a long enough input shaft that can effectively be shortened by 15mm as you lose that length with the plate. The other way if you have access to a milling machine & a Tig welder is to machine the Saxo gearbox housing down & then machine the front bell housing of your gearbox down then weld both parts together so you end up with something like this

This was done to put a BMW gearbox onto a Ford ST engine (I think)

Best of luck either way, keep everybody posted how you get along & let me know if it will be at Stoneleigh to have a look next year.

sri_130 · 10th October 2016, 13:52

Great idea there. I'll add that to the list of possibilities.

I've found a thread: http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...&highlight=imp
where the rallye engine ended up in an Imp. If anyone is interested.

Phaeton · 10th October 2016, 14:07

Nice, used to have a 1965 Stiletto myself at the end of the 70's rotten as a peach even then, the sills had been repaired with wood & filler. But he has basically laid out the way to get an adaptor plate made for you.

sri_130 · 10th October 2016, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

Nice, used to have a 1965 Stiletto myself at the end of the 70's rotten as a peach even then, the sills had been repaired with wood & filler. But he has basically laid out the way to get an adaptor plate made for you.

LOL. I once witnessed a front wing on a herald, that had a paper mache and cardboard repair. But nothing comes close to the wood.

My next consideration would be the gear lever. I'll have to give this some real thought.

Phaeton · 10th October 2016, 17:25

Surely that is simple as if will be of the gearbox you use

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sri_130 · 10th October 2016, 18:34

Its more the location of it, how far down the tunnel etc in relation to the driving position.

Phaeton · 10th October 2016, 20:07

That's all going to be dependent on the box & the engine position

stevo67 · 11th October 2016, 21:45

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Originally Posted by sri_130

Great idea there. I'll add that to the list of possibilities.

I've found a thread: http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...&highlight=imp
where the rallye engine ended up in an Imp. If anyone is interested.

There was a thread a while back were someone had put a vts engine in an old mini.So these things are possible.

stevo67 · 11th October 2016, 21:46

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Originally Posted by sri_130

Hello.
I have amassed a couple of spare engines and ECU + other ancillaries over the years. Me and my old man are discussing how to use them.

We're in the running (hopefully) for a Bond Equipe GT - which is a lovely little old thing. It has no running gear.

The equipe is rear wheel drive and it presents an issue using the standard VTS box obviously. I had suggested mating another gearbox on there, using some form of adapter plate. Then a rumour appeared that the 16v engine would mate easily to some hillman(?) gearbox... I'm not sure where or how I heard that, or if it is true.

Has anyone had any experience of matching a gearbox to the 16v to run in RWD?

Are these known by another name ie a Bond bug?

Phaeton · 11th October 2016, 21:51

No different beast

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Gandi699 · 13th October 2016, 16:35

Plenty of people use the K-series engine in RWD applications and smaller version of that engine they came with a development of the MA box, might be seeing what those guys do about it.
Maybe not so much adaptor plates or bell housings but at least with input shafts etc.