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4th October 2014, 11:28
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Harness angle
Right so my cage has harness bars, so it would make sense to use them, but because my seats are so loq, the bar is higher than the hole in the seat, so the harness is coming down from the bar if that makes sense
Sort of like this MX5
now the FIA ruling is 0-45 degree below, so obviously I'm out of their guidelines, but I'm not racing so that doesn't matter.
Is it any real issue for track use though?
I mean I was using an eyelets on the rear seatbelt points, and eyelets on the transmission tunnel and they were beyond the 45 degree
Any ideas?
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Last edited by MuZiZZle; 4th October 2014 at 11:38.
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10th October 2014, 18:10
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scrap it 
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11th October 2014, 08:14
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Get the harness bar moved. It's not a requirement just for the shits and gigs.
Harnesses are not safe at they angles.
Or you could sell me the cage and buy another one that will fit 😉
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11th October 2014, 12:05
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As chompy said, you could just move the bar, this would invalidate any cage certificate though if you're bothered about that.
The MSA guidelines are slightly different to the FIA as well, they allow a bit more leeway for upwards mounting (see below) although I don't think something like you've shown would be much good.
At the end of the day, their purpose is to save your life in the event of a big impact so it's worth getting it correct.
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13th October 2014, 11:22
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Looks like 20 degrees up or more. Is it attached to the main roll hoop? If so its a rather straight forward task to adjust the height. The straps will hold your shoulders much better when corrected..
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13th October 2014, 11:38
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That's not my car, it's the only pic I could find to show what I was on about.
Mines like this :
Just imagine the seat is 3" lower
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13th October 2014, 11:40
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Why not just get us a picture of your car, dick?
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13th October 2014, 12:05
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Why not just get us a picture of your car, dick?
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Use your imagination, c unit
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13th October 2014, 17:13
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I'd just lower the bar if the angle is truly off ...
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13th October 2014, 17:17
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I'd have to get 3 welded in, 1 each side below the existing one, and in the middle of the main /\ if that makes sense
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13th October 2014, 21:29
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I think you are asking a question to which you already know the answer!
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14th October 2014, 08:18
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I think you are asking a question to which you already know the answer!
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This man makes sense
Stop being a complete bender and fix it properly by selling me your cage 
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14th October 2014, 12:55
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I'd have to get 3 welded in, 1 each side below the existing one, and in the middle of the main /\ if that makes sense
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errr.....why three? you have two currently!. A few minutes with an anglegrinder will cut those out, as you will need a shorter tube length they could be reused and all you would pay for is a bit of trimming of the bar to shape and a bit of welding...
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15th October 2014, 11:09
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errr.....why three? you have two currently!. A few minutes with an anglegrinder will cut those out, as you will need a shorter tube length they could be reused and all you would pay for is a bit of trimming of the bar to shape and a bit of welding...
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To have them straight the inner harness of each seat would need to be on a new bar in the middle
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15th October 2014, 11:11
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Clearly the cage is not right for you. You need to change it and sell your current one for ultra cheap
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15th October 2014, 11:13
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Originally Posted by chompy
Clearly the cage is not right for you. You need to change it and sell your current one for ultra cheap
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I'd angle grind it into a thousand rings of steel for postage!
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16th October 2014, 19:47
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raise your seat and put a dome in the roof. Worked for the Ford GT40. Would look sick!
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17th October 2014, 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KamRacing
raise your seat and put a dome in the roof. Worked for the Ford GT40. Would look sick!
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Like the Jetsons?
Or the car Homer designed?
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6th November 2014, 08:19
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If yuo arr wanting that cage to be approved at some time for racing then -you cannot cut things out of it or weld extra bits on it
you can calmp a bar lower down onto cage with scaffolding type clamps --but that all
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6th November 2014, 08:21
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Quote:
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If yuo arr wanting that cage to be approved at some time for racing then -you cannot cut things out of it or weld extra bits on it
you can calmp a bar lower down onto cage with scaffolding type clamps --but that all
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I have the additional B pillar bar, but that's pretty much just behind the seats about 10" higher than the transmission tunnel
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