Raunchz: TB Westcoast S - 05/03/2010 (Page 74) - Intake Plenum, it's a big bugger - Page 19 - Saxperience

raunchz · 7th July 2009, 01:42

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Originally Posted by Ryan

is sandy able to map using the software andy uses in the predator??

at least on his rollers you will make good power

Yeh, he said asking as he doesn't have to mess about with all the different types and versions of the software he's happy to map it, yet to call him though to talk about it properly

lol, I'll take the figures with a pinch of salt. Will be more about the power curve and how it feels after time on the rollers

Toad · 7th July 2009, 09:11

OK, some advice on boxes.

Don't bother fitting an S2 box, as it's virtually the same as a VTS box. Wait to get either an S1 or a 1.4XSi box.

S8TTG · 9th July 2009, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Toad

OK, some advice on boxes.

Don't bother fitting an S2 box, as it's virtually the same as a VTS box. Wait to get either an S1 or a 1.4XSi box.

S2 box will be better than the westie box at the moment!!!!

raunchz · 9th July 2009, 16:16

The westcoast box on a TB'd saxo is a tragedy - just need the time to get a shorter/sports box on.

I just can't find an xsi box for sale at the moment - found and S1 though . . . . .

AndySAXO^p · 9th July 2009, 18:45

sorry about taking the xsi box the other day, just got in before

should had seen how fast i got from mine to willsy to get the box

yer i bet that westcoast box really spoils the fun abit.

hope you have a better box on for trax

andy

raunchz · 9th July 2009, 18:46

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Originally Posted by AndySAXOK

sorry about taking the xsi box the other day, just got in before

should had seen how fast i got from mine to willsy to get the box

yer i bet that westcoast box really spoils the fun abit.

hope you have a better box on for trax

andy

No probs, good to see it going to a good home

I've been thinking about how I'm going to use the car from the summer onwards (back to uni) - and I'm contemplating an S1 box as shouldn't do much motorway driving so may as well go for the quickest box. Also, when i get the time and money to trackday it, it'll morel ikely be on shorter circuits so the S1 will be perfect.

AndySAXO^p · 9th July 2009, 20:17

yer that sound good to me, i was looking for an s1 or xsi box both will do for me as the saxo my second car anyway, well have a work van

so the saxo only comes out when i want some fun

i just got to get the money together as i been pricing the parts i need ofr the botom end re biuld not cheap lol

but by mid next year should have Throttle bodies and the xsi gear box and bottom end re biult ready for fun at FCS!!!

andy

raunchz · 9th July 2009, 21:02

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Originally Posted by AndySAXOK

yer that sound good to me, i was looking for an s1 or xsi box both will do for me as the saxo my second car anyway, well have a work van

so the saxo only comes out when i want some fun

i just got to get the money together as i been pricing the parts i need ofr the botom end re biuld not cheap lol

but by mid next year should have Throttle bodies and the xsi gear box and bottom end re biult ready for fun at FCS!!!

andy

Will be a very 'rev'y' engine when it's done !!

I'm just not sure if i should stick with the S2 box, or whether putting an xsi on instead would be a noticable difference?

OR whether the cost of getting a s1 FD fitted would be worth it - maybe £400 including the FD - worth it over an S2 box I already have?

AndySAXO^p · 9th July 2009, 22:09

well s2 is basiclly the same as a standard vts box i am right in thinking, and my vts box on my cammed vts i dnt like that much to be fair, as it seem to long as i always seem to drop out of the power range even when give it all!!

so i would say get an s1 or xsi box if you can, but an s2 box would be better than the westcoast one lol as better that really can get annoying!!

andy

Toad · 10th July 2009, 09:04

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Originally Posted by S8TTG

S2 box will be better than the westie box at the moment!!!!

Indeed it will, but that's beside the point. It's not worth going to all the hassle for a small improvement, when you can get the 'right' box for a huge improvement.

MR_N · 10th July 2009, 09:12

Car looks a beast my friend, just been through the whole thread. Its had some serious money spent on it.

raunchz · 10th July 2009, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Toad

Indeed it will, but that's beside the point. It's not worth going to all the hassle for a small improvement, when you can get the 'right' box for a huge improvement.

Am in contact with Mankee at the moment - getting hold of an S1 FD looks to be near on impossible, and I think he's got an XSI FD so looking to get the S2 FD swapped over to XSI, with new diff bearings and seals all round.

I know that the next major thing is to sort the gearbox out - but it's whether to hold out for an S1, or just get my S2 box over to Mankee for him to plonk the xsi FD in.

I'm not going for a LSD in there as the car will be driven 95% of the time on the road/motorway, and don't fancy hanging on for dear life going from Bristol to Bournemouth on the country roads with dodgy cambers!

raunchz · 10th July 2009, 09:34

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Originally Posted by MR_N

Car looks a beast my friend, just been through the whole thread. Its had some serious money spent on it.

Not as much as you'd think - I've done everything myself, bought new items from here second hand for less £££, and bought the major parts in group buys.

Like the 4 pots cost me £100, then £50 for discs, £50 for a full set of braided hoses including the rear, £10 for pads, £10 for fitting kit, £0 for new nipples. So I've got a set of 4 pots with new discs, pads, hoses, running perfect for £230 (that's includes all the costs of sending the items to me, like the calipers and discs) - fitted them myself, job's a good'un! Plus then sold me old 266mm calipers and that leaves a bargain set of 4 pots!

Toad · 10th July 2009, 10:10

Yes. Changing the FD over is just as good!

raunchz · 10th July 2009, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Toad

Yes. Changing the FD over is just as good!

I agree, having removed and refitted the gearbox twice I only want to do it again once - hence I'm looking to go for a higher FD than the S2 to try and make it a quicker A to B car, and a more fun car to drive.

I think the S2 would be okay, but I just think I'm only going to change the gearbox once, and from having a Westcoast box I know how important the gearbox is with regards to how power delivery/speed 'feels'.

Bring on the XSI !! If i see an S1 before then i'll get hold of that !

TOAD - I presume you've gone from a gti box to an S1, was the difference awesome? Well worth it?

Toad · 10th July 2009, 11:50

Yes. The biggest difference you notice is how damn quick you go through the gears! It's easier to get in the power band too which is nice. Not so much bogging down.

It makes every gear feel 1 less than previous. So your new 2nd feels like 1st, and your new 4th feels the old 3rd.

AndySAXO^p · 10th July 2009, 11:58

yer i would hold out for an xsi or S1 box matey worth it in the end

Andy

raunchz · 10th July 2009, 15:11

I'm just going to have to watch the for sale threads like a hawk and pounceo n any xsi/s1 gearbox - if anyone know's of one going - even if it's got bad synchro's etc. then if you could pm I'd be eternally greatful!

Toad · 10th July 2009, 15:39

Ring this number and ask for Kevin: xxxxxxxx

The company is called Carparts Warehouse. Last time I spoke to him, he had an S1 box for sale, but I didn't buy it as I thought he wanted too much £££. IIRC, he wanted £250 + VAT.

You owe me one.

raunchz · 10th July 2009, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Toad

Ring this number and ask for Kevin: xxxxxxxxxxx

The company is called Carparts Warehouse. Last time I spoke to him, he had an S1 box for sale, but I didn't buy it as I thought he wanted too much £££. IIRC, he wanted £250 + VAT.

You owe me one.

Thanks mate !!! I'll see what I can do about a video tomorrow!

I'll give him a call next week and see if he'll move a little on the price as that's a lot bearing in mind how much Mankee charges to swap FD's over.

But then again, itll release a lot of performance.

Looking at the FD ratio's - going from a Westcoast box to an S1 would improve acceleration by 17% , wheras the S2 would be 7% - hrmmmmmmmm.