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29th September 2014, 22:12
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Who'd have a map on a 1.4 to get around 100bhp when you could splice in the loom and ecu from an xsi for a third of a cost lol
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29th September 2014, 22:47
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Isn't a VTR 100bhp though? Or 98 or something, with more torque...
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30th September 2014, 12:10
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Because... the VTR engines are cast blocks and quite a bit heavier.
I'm sorry, but torque and VTR don't go in the same sentence. get 16v.
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30th September 2014, 12:27
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Get a 1.3 rallye engine and gearbox. Have 105 bhp standard , better scope for fitting race cams and improved gearing.
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30th September 2014, 13:37
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A few of the lads from the cruise around my area they have a drag night on Sundays it's pretty good
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Followed by doughnut burnouts in mcdonalds,then onto hot sex with the local chav princess.Then a monday morning session at the std clinic innit bruv. 
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30th September 2014, 18:20
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Originally Posted by MartinObviously
Because... the VTR engines are cast blocks and quite a bit heavier.
I'm sorry, but torque and VTR don't go in the same sentence. get 16v.
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I'm sorry but a vtr has more torque than a furio. 1.6 > 1.4
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30th September 2014, 18:23
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Followed by doughnut burnouts in mcdonalds,then onto hot sex with the local chav princess.Then a monday morning session at the std clinic innit bruv. |
Lols Stevo 
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30th September 2014, 18:55
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Wouldn't this be far simpler if the OP just got a better car?
Mines the fastest like, it's a VTS with a furio inlet cam, a Rallye intake, diesel dash vents and a 1.1 wiper motor. Also I've got a custom gearbox with 5 reverse gears fitted back to front, moar strengthzzz
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1st October 2014, 09:20
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yes. There are far better 8v cars in the Peugeot/Citroen range. Buy a whole 106 Rallye or a 106 XSI
Sadly the saxo got what can be best described as 8v road engines.
engine swaps are far cooler. This is my new favorite procrastination subject. Why tune an engine when you can fit a more powerful engine in for less money and hassle.
Admittedly I'd then have to tune it....
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1st October 2014, 13:15
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Originally Posted by KamRacing
yes. There are far better 8v cars in the Peugeot/Citroen range. Buy a whole 106 Rallye or a 106 XSI
Sadly the saxo got what can be best described as 8v road engines.
engine swaps are far cooler. This is my new favorite procrastination subject. Why tune an engine when you can fit a more powerful engine in for less money and hassle.
Admittedly I'd then have to tune it....
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If you can do it yourself I suppose, but I imagine a full transplant from say a different car altogether would be much harder work or much more costly!
It's been on my mind because ideally when my car dies (e38 750iL) I would like to keep the engine and box and put them in something like an e30 or something olllld, like a rover p4 or something crazy. Big money I imagine though!
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1st October 2014, 21:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Giraffe
I'm sorry but a vtr has more torque than a furio. 1.6 > 1.4
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If you read my post again, I wasn't comparing to the 1.4. "get 16v"
i.e general statement comparing 8v to 16v 1.6.
Fucking hell, learn to read minds before you post!
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Originally Posted by KamRacing
Get a 1.3 rallye engine and gearbox. Have 105 bhp standard , better scope for fitting race cams and improved gearing.
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Which is what I've done 
Better still, fit the 1.3 and it's gearbox to an actual rallye.
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2nd October 2014, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Giraffe
If you can do it yourself I suppose, but I imagine a full transplant from say a different car altogether would be much harder work or much more costly!
It's been on my mind because ideally when my car dies (e38 750iL) I would like to keep the engine and box and put them in something like an e30 or something olllld, like a rover p4 or something crazy. Big money I imagine though!
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Often its not as much work as you think. To fit a B18C engine into my 205 it needs three custom engine mounts welding in and some grinding off the subframe. I've worked out all the materials needed and its not a lot. It would need custom driveshafts and I'd run it on an aftermarket ecu to make life easier but its not a daunting money pit.
Its not as cheap as dropping an engine from the same family though and using existing wiring looms and mounts but it depends on your end power target.
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2nd October 2014, 09:48
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Originally Posted by MartinObviously
Which is what I've done
Better still, fit the 1.3 and it's gearbox to an actual rallye. |
Good man!
Just buy a 1.3 rallye that works lol
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3rd October 2014, 00:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KamRacing
Good man!
Just buy a 1.3 rallye that works lol
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mmmmmmm well mine doesn't work
someone turned the engine over with the head off - and didn't clamp the liners...
So basically, need to do a total engine rebuild on it.
then there's the shell...
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11th October 2014, 13:40
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My old furio had a cat cam in it, made 98bhp before a map but never got round to mapping it
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12th October 2014, 17:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by samueljonburgess
My old furio had a cat cam in it, made 98bhp before a map but never got round to mapping it
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Sounds about right, if you had exhaust and induction on it?
Phil got 95hp from his Quikky with no remap and a cam.
It's the cam that makes these things so restrictive. so they were good on fuel - actually better on fuel than a 1.1 generally.
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12th October 2014, 17:18
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Cda airbox 421 and a decat on it, went pretty well for what it was. For the price of a cam you could probably get an engine now?
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13th October 2014, 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinObviously
Sounds about right, if you had exhaust and induction on it?
Phil got 95hp from his Quikky with no remap and a cam.
It's the cam that makes these things so restrictive. so they were good on fuel - actually better on fuel than a 1.1 generally.
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my 1.4 was a very different engine after a cam, PT40K, really does open it up a hell of a lot, even on a mild ish cam like i got.
95bhp@atw?
i have not dynoed mine yet, sound promising to me! lol
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13th October 2014, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Mi5terSIR
my 1.4 was a very different engine after a cam, PT40K, really does open it up a hell of a lot, even on a mild ish cam like i got.
95bhp@atw?
i have not dynoed mine yet, sound promising to me! lol
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No no, at the fly  calculated.
I can't remember what it was at the wheels.
People should quote ATW anyway, it's more accurate.
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13th October 2014, 18:12
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Originally Posted by MartinObviously
No no, at the fly calculated.
I can't remember what it was at the wheels.
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aha i see, interesting. i was getting a little excited then! haha
i agree with that, all that matters is what goes to the wheels, flywheel figures are for things that dont have transmission losses and all that noise 
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