3 ways vs. satchell conversion

[deano_123]

Pretty much the last part of my car I havent done yet is the suspension, mainly as I dont understand this evil dark art. The car is fully bushed, uprated mounts etc it is just the suspension that sucks (I think its on Avo's or something).

Anyway, so would I be better going for some 2/ 3 way AST/ KW etc coilovers or the satchell conversion kit? Prices work out about the same so any thoughts?

[KamRacing]

They do two different things. Start with the Satchell kit first then upgrade the dampers when funds allow.

[deano_123]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

They do two different things. Start with the Satchell kit first then upgrade the dampers when funds allow.

Tell me more, my lack of suspension knowledge is hugely evident here

[welshpug]

Satchell kit replaces the original uprights, wishbones, hubs, adds upper and lower braces, as well as strut tower stiffening, strut top plates and top mounts.

They are designed for a 40mm inverted insert, typically a Bilstein unit is used, however AST, AVO etc can make an insert which will work, a Widetracked Saxo Rally car I service for has Proflex 3 way inserts with remote reservoirs.

Colin himself just uses the bilstein inserts on the 205, as does Dean gammon on his 1700 hillclimb 106.


the satchell kit aims to correct the poor geometry and behaviour a modified 106/saxo has as standard, reducing bump steer and adding lots of much needed wheel travel, as well as being a LOT stronger, using larger wheel bearings and stiffer hub carriers as well (they use 307 units)

[MuZiZZle]

Your drive is tarmac?, any camber on it?

[deano_123]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

They do two different things. Start with the Satchell kit first then upgrade the dampers when funds allow.

Would I not be better off going with a set of AST 2/ 3 ways and see how I get on with them?

I dont know a great deal about the satchel setup, I've read only positives about the rear setup but havent found any feedback on the front setup.

[KamRacing]

Whats the car being used for?

[D4MJT]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Whats the car being used for?

Used?

Errrr

[KamRacing]

rephrase....whats the cars intended use? lol

[deano_123]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

rephrase....whats the cars intended use? lol

The cheek of these folk.

Its built to go on track, its a pretty serious build not a stripped out saxo with a show cage. The only part I havent put any effort into is the suspension as I really dont understand that side of it all

[welshpug]

that's why people pay guys like Colin to do it for us

[KamRacing]

Colin has revised all the geometry. Its taking the suspension on the car to the next level. It will cope much better with what you throw at it. On track I would say it will be more planted when riding the curbs or with camber changes. On the rear the greater damper movement gives a more precise handling trait.

Your 2 and 3 way suspension gives more specific damper control. You can control weight transfer under acceleration and braking and play with the bump and rebound independently but having the best suspension around it as a basis is probably the most important change you can do.

[jeffchiz]

is there a website with all the satchell products on?

[deano_123]

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Colin has revised all the geometry. Its taking the suspension on the car to the next level. It will cope much better with what you throw at it. On track I would say it will be more planted when riding the curbs or with camber changes. On the rear the greater damper movement gives a more precise handling trait.

Your 2 and 3 way suspension gives more specific damper control. You can control weight transfer under acceleration and braking and play with the bump and rebound independently but having the best suspension around it as a basis is probably the most important change you can do.

Will a coilover setup that uses the original pickup points work with the satchell re-engineered setup or does that require a whole new coilover setup? I dont want to have to buy twice but I'm thinking it would be best to start with the original points to get used to the car then go onto the Satchell stuff

[D4MJT]

Originally Posted by deano_123

Will a coilover setup that uses the original pickup points work with the satchell re-engineered setup or does that require a whole new coilover setup? I dont want to have to buy twice but I'm thinking it would be best to start with the original points to get used to the car then go onto the Satchell stuff

In all honesty Dean, I'd just get the Satchell stuff fitted, you're doing a proper job with the rest of the car, and it's the best kit out there by a country mile.

Besides, it'll make the shell more desirable to me when you split it and break next year

[deano_123]

Originally Posted by D4MJT

In all honesty Dean, I'd just get the Satchell stuff fitted, you're doing a proper job with the rest of the car, and it's the best kit out there by a country mile.

Besides, it'll make the shell more desirable to me when you split it and break next year

In the back of my head I want to get a shell and take it back to the metal, T45 weld in, seam welded etc but I dont want to do it to this car as I've had it nearly 3 years and only drove it once, I want to get this one finished and enjoy it next year whilst having another shell properly done.

[D4MJT]

Originally Posted by deano_123

In the back of my head I want to get a shell and take it back to the metal, T45 weld in, seam welded etc but I dont want to do it to this car as I've had it nearly 3 years and only drove it once, I want to get this one finished and enjoy it next year whilst having another shell properly done.

Get an S1 Rallye, they're the bestest.

Or an Onyx Black S1 XN if you can find one, I hear in non-sunroof guise they're the hidden gem in the crown of the 106 world.

[KamRacing]

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

is there a website with all the satchell products on?

no - i have some products but I've not got round to getting the more complicated stuff on. Mainly because they require someone with the right knowhow to fit.

Kev

[KamRacing]

Originally Posted by deano_123

Will a coilover setup that uses the original pickup points work with the satchell re-engineered setup or does that require a whole new coilover setup? I dont want to have to buy twice but I'm thinking it would be best to start with the original points to get used to the car then go onto the Satchell stuff

Its a complete replacement suspension kit. Fronts and rears are completely different. If you want to do it once then save up for the kit and get a set of dampers that can be converted to 2 or 3 way at a later date.

I can help you with that should you go that route as we can supply the whole package.

[welshpug]

website is on the way and they have a Facebook page