Suspension setups - Page 5 - Saxperience

Dave_P · 17th January 2011, 21:19

What set up do you use on the front of the track car olly?

Olly · 17th January 2011, 21:26

I have the gaz gold single adjustment dampers, with 350lbs 6" springs, Gaz fitted/modified the legs to fit the coilovers, adding camber to them, and also lowering and turning the steering arms upside down, Provisions to lower the car right down basically with minimal affect on bump steer.
removed the front arb too, but wouldnt mind trying a small one. only have a gti one myself. thing it might be too much!

Dave_P · 17th January 2011, 21:40

Try a 18mm Quiky bar, thats what i use.

If GAZ turn the steering arms upside down i take it you fit the track rod ends upside down too?

Do you feel the bump & rebound damping is well suited to the 350lb springs?

Olly · 17th January 2011, 21:43

does the quicky bar fit off droplinks like the 'sport' spec rollbars, or does it attach to the wishbones poverty spec style?

Do you suffer any bump steer? some of them hill climbs are surely less than smooth?

Dave_P · 17th January 2011, 21:47

Quiky bar is the same as gti/vts etc.

The hills are very smooth so no probs with bump steer.

We have monsters like this doing hillclimbs so the tracks need to be smooth.

adamskiTNR · 17th January 2011, 22:43

Ah, the humble predator v10. sounds wrong in the scottish hills. An engine definitely far away from it's birth place lol

Dave_P · 17th January 2011, 22:51

Indeed, it used to reside in an Arrows F1 car.

Tufty · 17th January 2011, 23:16

the way i am doing it is i have a cheap decent suspension set up, going to LEARN that and then make little improvements, and just research on other peoples set ups.

Like said before, its all abot how YOU feel and what YOUR limits are as a driver.
Also, once you learn the car, you will learn the track and at this point this is where you need to make changes to the car for THE track. Hope i have summed that up okay.

adamskiTNR · 17th January 2011, 23:59

The pronouns are catching on

Olly · 18th January 2011, 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Try a 18mm Quiky bar, thats what i use.

If GAZ turn the steering arms upside down i take it you fit the track rod ends upside down too?

Do you feel the bump & rebound damping is well suited to the 350lb springs?

Yes the arms go on the other way up. Have to swap the track rod ends from left to right as when upside down they are offset the otherside

The damping has so much adjustment its easy to find a setting that feels right. Id say 350lbs springs are well within the limits of the damping rates there set to adjust to atm.

That predator is nice.

jpsaxo · 18th January 2011, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olly

my car with 23mm torsion bars and 24mm rear arb drives very precisely. Get a much better feeling of when the car unbalances front to rear and begins to lose traction at either end.

Kind of essential to keep on the throttle through any complex of close turns as it will slide out very easily with lift off..really complements having a diff imo.

but im still learning the characteristics of my car so cant go into much detail. All i will say is its alot nicer on track than my daily saxo with 155lbs springs etc... but on the road is the opposite.

Sounds similar to my set up, im currently running;

Ast coilovers upfront
250lb springs
ast solid top mounts
Group n rear wishbone bushes and polyrace all round
Group N black capped rear billies
22mm torsion bars
24mm rear arb
standard vts front arb

The car is very pointy, just point it towards the corner and it turns in nicely, similar to daves is almost impossible to make it oversteer. I'd recommend my set up to anyone as it was a huge improvement for track work over my old set up (group n fronts 170lb springs and b8 rears with standard bars and 24mm arb)

jsdvtr · 18th January 2011, 11:16

Could anyone give me asome advice on what i should do, Ive got gaz front struts (toads) which are similar to ollys but just normal springs rather than coilovers but the front is pretty low. Im fitting a new beam which i have just bought which is down 55mm but i was thinknig of raising to 35-40mm to let the dampers do there job correctly but the front would be really low and rear really high. Any ideas on best way to go about this?

Also looking at uprating the TB bars maybe 23mm as running 300lb springs.

willsy · 18th January 2011, 11:56

Just swap the springs, the ones that are on there if i remember correctly were very short in length. Give Faulkner a call and ask for some to be made at 300lb rate with slightly longer length. They should already be well aware of Saxo/106 basic measurements etc

solvi · 22nd February 2011, 14:36

hi ..

so this is my race bisteins they are 41mm not 40mm , its a groupA circuit setup.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...1022011595.jpg

MaRiO89 · 7th March 2011, 23:37

I used to run Bilstein B8 Sprintline dampers front and rear, with -60mm Spax springs with the rear lowered to match. The car only sat at about -40mm as the dampers were very stiff.

It handled superbly, on or off track and i would recommend the Bilstein dampers to anyone.

Aly · 8th March 2011, 11:37

Currently my Saxo has Spax 40mm Springs and PI Dampers and back is lowered 30mm.

I thought it handled really really well on Croft although it was a bit soft, you can see the body roll:

I'm not after anything too expensive, how much of an improvement would the Spax PSX kit be over what I have already?

I would want Bilsteins but ideally I'd want GrpNs but I don't want to spend all my money on suspension.

Cheers

Olly · 8th March 2011, 12:09

From what ive heard recently dont buy the psx kit

If you find the spax ok, then why change? Is the car becoming a track car?

AndySAXO^p · 8th March 2011, 12:24

That is basically the same setup as me, bar I have the Ast rear dampers.

I really love the Ast, I know they are expensive ( I didn't pay that peice though) but really are good, give me alot more faith in the car if that make sence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo

Sounds similar to my set up, im currently running;

Ast coilovers upfront
250lb springs
ast solid top mounts
Group n rear wishbone bushes and polyrace all round
Group N black capped rear billies
22mm torsion bars
24mm rear arb
standard vts front arb

The car is very pointy, just point it towards the corner and it turns in nicely, similar to daves is almost impossible to make it oversteer. I'd recommend my set up to anyone as it was a huge improvement for track work over my old set up (group n fronts 170lb springs and b8 rears with standard bars and 24mm arb)

Aly · 8th March 2011, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olly

From what ive heard recently dont buy the psx kit

If you find the spax ok, then why change? Is the car becoming a track car?

It's the dampers I'm looking to change not the springs.

hard_corejoeboy · 8th March 2011, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaRiO89

I used to run Bilstein B8 Sprintline dampers front and rear, with -60mm Spax springs with the rear lowered to match. The car only sat at about -40mm as the dampers were very stiff.

It handled superbly, on or off track and i would recommend the Bilstein dampers to anyone.

I find even the b8's are too hard for the road really i even changed my tyre profile to 50's to try and help but its still bloody hard for the road. Fine if you live in Wales though with their perfect roads..