406 2litre turbo conversion - Page 4 - Saxperience

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 12:54

The engines are actually known for holding power quite well.and the whole point in doin a conversion is to get better performance right?and in most cases you do replace standard parts....a gti6 engine u have to replace parts to get that sort of power...same with a vts/vtr or pretty much any engine for that matter.lol.all oem parts have there weakneses when being tuned wether it be the 406 engine or watever you always take a risk.

devilsadvocate · 2nd December 2011, 12:59

The first question you asked was:

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Can a 406 2litre turbo lump be squeezed into a vtr?

You then go on to tell people who clearly know what they are talking about that they are wrong.

Spend a shit load fitting the engine
Replace a shit load of the parts
Realise it's not what you thought it was
Then sell the car for 1/5 of what to spent on it.

Then PM a mod to close your account on here

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 13:03

Because aswell as talking to u guys I have spoken to some of the top tuners in the country.I do not understand ur logic really yes I asked the question and iv had the answers but they contradict with what some experts are saying that's all.lol

devilsadvocate · 2nd December 2011, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

Because aswell as talking to u guys I have spoken to some of the top tuners in the country.I do not understand ur logic really yes I asked the question and iv had the answers but they contradict with what some experts are saying that's all.lol

Well bugger off then and do what you like.

Top tuners in the country - Name them?

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 13:10

Mate what is your problem have I mistakes this forum for something it's not?I assumed it was a place for people that owned saxo's to talk about there cars.but clearly you have a different idea.if you don't like what I'm saying then don't reply on my thread simples.

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 13:11

I have not been abusive or out of order in what I have said atall so I'd appreciate it if you were the same

Ross^p · 2nd December 2011, 13:36

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Top tuners in the country - Name them?

This ^

I'd love to hear who said this was a good idea.

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 14:04

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.look fellas I ain't come on here to argue.if you wanna argue with me then PM me.but if you can shed any constructive comments on this conversion then that is much appreciated. Thanks

Ross^p · 2nd December 2011, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.

Now there's a conversation I'd like to hear...

Anyway - back in 2009 this was a thread on the subject:
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=245732

I refer you to this particular post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...75&postcount=5

2008 was discussed here:
http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=50412

Ryan^p · 2nd December 2011, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.look fellas I ain't come on here to argue.if you wanna argue with me then PM me.but if you can shed any constructive comments on this conversion then that is much appreciated. Thanks

Longmans? They stopped doing work ages ago.
Pug performance - I like Colin alot but if you ring him on different days prices/opinions change.

Budgeting wise, you can go boost on tu engines for not alot of money and they are reliable and produce good power.

The issue with the engine conversion is you have a lot of hidden issues which crop up, like loom, driveshafts, mounts etc..

Ross^p · 2nd December 2011, 14:28

If you want to see the work that goes into it, Ryan's car is the car to look at.

http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ht=mi16&page=7

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 14:32

He went bust but he is still working on engines and he is bloody good at it.thanks for ur help I will read them tonight.and btw nice arse...

wolf_gsxr · 2nd December 2011, 17:06

It does have a nice wiggle to it don't it... Annyywayyy. It's a stupid idea. Big heavy underpowered engine in a small lightwait fwd car is awful. No more poverty than a cammed s but 20 times the work twice the weight and awful handling. Even if you got it all to fit that would be a few grand. Then tuning the turd to what you think it will make another few grand then another few thrown at the suspension to that I'd doesn't handle like a canal barge. Or spend 2k and have a turbo'd s

K17NEY · 2nd December 2011, 17:19

To the OP, You've started a thread to ask for advice, You've challenged/disagreed with every bit of advice given. If you know so much, Maybe you should get on with it and show us how its done.

shell-vt · 2nd December 2011, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

I'm sorry mate but I disagree it is definitely a 406 SRI.

Why do you say it's pointless?

405 406 sri t both were the same apart from the mi16 t/16..

stevo1600 · 2nd December 2011, 18:42

You would be SO much better off boosting the tu lump. Your wasting your time doing the 406/5 conversion. I wouldn't plow my time/effort and money into a rubbish idea.

shell-vt · 2nd December 2011, 18:44

mmmm agree 405 406 were a nightmere to wire up aswell..

LSOfreak · 2nd December 2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Icey_Furio

It's restrictive, the valve surface area is tiny, it's souless, it's heavy for its output...I can go on. Granted some DIY mods make a big difference, but thats true of most engines.

You can put a GTi-6 head on and see over 350bhp yes. But firstly, it's then a different engine really (morelike a T16) and secondly that would involve custom manifolds, uprated internals....you'd be spending major money. Then theres the gearbox...the only box man enough to take all the abuse is the ML5T and that's massive and weighs as much as a church (not to mention it's geared mainly for diesels). You could spend plenty on an uprated BE, but that'd be a tight fit in a 106/Saxo and they're still not all that great. It'd melt an MA box within 3 miles too!

You could spend less blowing a VTS lump and at least that way it'll bolt straight in and won't plough straight on in bends.

I'm guessing by your senstive reaction you own one of these engines? I'm not here to knock anyones pride and joy bud....I used to have an Activa running 207bhp (on the rollers). I've owned plenty of other PSA motors too, and IMO that engine is not their best.

And then theres the economy! Even in standard form it's truly horrific.

the last post on the thread ross posted says it all really

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 19:24

I did not think about the weight of it.I sort of assumed that if a 205 can handle the weight of an mi16 than a Saxo should have no problems with the Sri.but assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups right.lol.

KI7NEY I was wondering if anybody had done it before seeing as noone has I feel that me challenging there opinions was ok and I haven't disagreed with every bit of info atall I have been advised alot of things on this forum and elsewhere also.and it seems that everybody I have spoken to that have done this conversion in other cars have said it's good....

So instead of people getting shitty with me how about helping me out?and if you can't then don't post on my thread.

Cheers to all the guys that have helped btw and like I said this conversion only interested me because it would be so cheap to do.sure I can go out and just charge mine but that is really fucking expensive and this is just a cheaper option for me with similar power gains.

Anyway decisions made I will investigate into the weight of the thing and cover my boundaries cheers wolf_gsxr for bringing that up got a zx9r myself so if the conversion fucks up atleast I still gotta crotch rocket to play on ;-)

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 19:27

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

the last post on the thread ross posted says it all really

I missed this I think can't see it?????