Stick or weld?

[axsaxoman]

mot repairs will also be a NO with bonding -so bonding a plate instead of welding as in the picture would not be allowed
all you would be bonding too would be the rust layer and how can the tester be sure you cleaned everything to high degree ,which it would have to be + killed the rust before you bond the plate on + still it would need some mechanical fixing to stop "peel "
bonding is for cosmetic only not load bearing members

[Bedford126]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

mot repairs will also be a NO with bonding -so bonding a plate instead of welding as in the picture would not be allowed
all you would be bonding too would be the rust layer and how can the tester be sure you cleaned everything to high degree ,which it would have to be + killed the rust before you bond the plate on + still it would need some mechanical fixing to stop "peel "
bonding is for cosmetic only not load bearing members

Seriously Why are you talking shit about "peel" bring your fucking head out of the 80's.

[adamskiTNR]

Bonding is a perfectly good, even supreme method for joining faces. It is just best left to a manufacturer that the time, money, skills and calculations to be able to validate designs and take financial risk of it all going wrong.

[axsaxoman]

the onl shit is coming from you as you obviously do not understand what "peel" is and the difference in bond strengths depending on how you load the parts and how a car will deform in an accident.
and the 80,s is 30years + ago --
and as adam points out what a manufacturer can do in clinical conditions on NEW metal with the correct priming +preparation will effect the strength of the bond dramtically so you should expect not the same results in all situations,unless exactly the smae conditions apply when the bond is made.
I come back to my other posts --

If it was stronger than weld --why do car makers still weld cars together for ALL critcal load bearing members --
even the lotus which uses extruded alloy sections for its chassis ,which is bonded together, still use cold rivets at critical points to stop "peel"

don,t come back with some more abuse and nonsense just give a precise answer to the question above regarding car makers build choices

you cannot because you are WRONG

I for one cannot think of a more citical load area than that which fixs the cage to the car as it is the last thing that stops the bodyshell from deforming in an accident

[Bedford126]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

the onl shit is coming from you as you obviously do not understand what "peel" is and the difference in bond strengths depending on how you load the parts and how a car will deform in an accident.
and the 80,s is 30years + ago --
and as adam points out what a manufacturer can do in clinical conditions on NEW metal with the correct priming +preparation will effect the strength of the bond dramtically so you should expect not the same results in all situations,unless exactly the smae conditions apply when the bond is made.
I come back to my other posts --

If it was stronger than weld --why do car makers still weld cars together for ALL critcal load bearing members --
even the lotus which uses extruded alloy sections for its chassis ,which is bonded together, still use cold rivets at critical points to stop "peel"

don,t come back with some more abuse and nonsense just give a precise answer to the question above regarding car makers build choices

you cannot because you are WRONG



I for one cannot think of a more citical load area than that which fixs the cage to the car as it is the last thing that stops the bodyshell from deforming in an accident

Like most people on here think you really are a arrogant Fucktard who can't spell with knowledge based in the past. Read my posts and tell me where I said to use it on the chassis or load bearing surface? oh wait that's right you cant.

Once you have done all the courses that I have for the epoxy system's come back at me, Oh wait you cant.

[wadoryu]

I'm sorry the arguments between John and Bedford crack me up XD

Would it be possible to bond say faces together and then weld the outside of said metal?

[Bedford126]

Originally Posted by wadoryu

I'm sorry the arguments between John and Bedford crack me up XD

Would it be possible to bond say faces together and then weld the outside of said metal?

According to john no because apparently a heat gun can make the glue soft.

But in fact yes, There is a company that makes a zink rich weld through epoxy, cant comment on it though or how it works because I have never used it.

[wadoryu]

Nice learn something every day, now I can go to sleep.
I have some wood glue in the shed and a soldering iron. I'm off to install a roll cage XD

[Bedford126]

Originally Posted by wadoryu

Nice learn something every day, now I can go to sleep.
I have some wood glue in the shed and a soldering iron. I'm off to install a roll cage XD

Don't forget you need some flux to clean the metal before you solder mate. You might also want to glue some rivets in place to stop peel.

[KamRacing]

well this escalated. Still not suitable for rollcages lol

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by Bedford126

According to john no because apparently a heat gun can make the glue soft.

But in fact yes, There is a company that makes a zink rich weld through epoxy, cant comment on it though or how it works because I have never used it.

you might not have used it but i have and no it is only meant to be spot welded through it for the likes of wheel arches and that givres the mechanical fixing to stop peel and the zinc is to conduct the current ,as epoxy would insulate it and no current would pass --so no weld .
it is not meant to be used with mig welding as the heat spread is too much and could cause delamination

[axsaxoman]

Originally Posted by Bedford126

Like most people on here think you really are a arrogant Fucktard who can't spell with knowledge based in the past. Read my posts and tell me where I said to use it on the chassis or load bearing surface? oh wait that's right you cant.

Once you have done all the courses that I have for the epoxy system's come back at me, Oh wait you cant.

people who have the same" know it all but know fuck all" attiude as you yes they do think that but thats their problem ,not mine

i have read yuor posts and this thread is about sticking roll cage strengthening plates in instead of welding and it was you who escalated this argument
I simply answerd no it should not be done

for your info i have been on courses on expoxy lay ups and bonding when I built an expoxy/kevlar skinned foam cored wing based aircraft called a europa --so yes i know what expoxy can do and what it can,t .

do you know why all sail planes(gliders to you) are painted white ?

the reason is if they are left in the sun and were painted a dark colour the skins could get too hot and could start deforming -
doesn,t matter what type of grp or expoxy all the resins have basically the same heat related constrictions,

[Bedford126]

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

people who have the same" know it all but know fuck all" attiude as you yes they do think that but thats their problem ,not mine

i have read yuor posts and this thread is about sticking roll cage strengthening plates in instead of welding and it was you who escalated this argument
I simply answerd no it should not be done

for your info i have been on courses on expoxy lay ups and bonding when I built an expoxy/kevlar skinned foam cored wing based aircraft called a europa --so yes i know what expoxy can do and what it can,t .

do you know why all sail planes(gliders to you) are painted white ?

the reason is if they are left in the sun and were painted a dark colour the skins could get too hot and could start deforming -
doesn,t matter what type of grp or expoxy all the resins have basically the same heat related constrictions,

I like the way you try to act all intelligent yet still cant use basic punctuation correctly.

If you need more examples of knowing everything but knowing fuck all i suggest you read your posts or maybe your website.

[adamskiTNR]

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[Chris_O]

Anyone fancy a bum?

[KamRacing]

punctuation? you are on the internet. Who cares? (I typed this and it lacked capitals!)